FBI 9mm Justification FOIA

One of our loyal followers, who was very interested in the FBI 9mm Justification article from last year, submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the FBI’s 9mm Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners. Our reader then provided us with a copy of the FOIA.  The FBI’s FOIA subject is titled: FBI Academy Caliber Specific Ammunition Trial. We figured someone else would have released the documents they had by now, as so many stated they also had it and vetted it, but no one has.

Our reader requested a lot of information in the FOIA and gave me the specific information requested. I would like to point out (Paragraphs 2 & 3) of the FOIA letter.  Paragraph 2 states, “Material consisting of 6 pages has been reviewed pursuant to Title 6, U.S. Code § 552 and this material is being released to you in its entirety with no excisions being made by the FBI”.  Paragraph 3 states, ” For your information, Congress excluded three discrete categories of law enforcement and national security records from the requirements of the FOIA. This response is limited to those records that are subject to the requirements of the FOIA”.

After reviewing our readers requested information and vetting it through some of our sources, certain information requested in the FOIA is listed as Law Enforcement Sensitive/Classified by the FBI/Gov and that information was not released in the FOIA. This is the reason for the Appeal process outlined in Paragraphs 4 & 5. The Executive Summery is identical to the one we received over a year ago through official channels. I think we have done our due diligence on vetting the info. The info is identical and accurate to what we previously had and we can now release the actual Executive Summary.

I did make small changes for our previous article, as I stated for ease of reading, and you can now see those small changes. Bellow is the FOIA given to use and I have redacted specific information at the request of the owner/provider of the FOIA.

You can see our original article, with an easy to ready text of the Executive Sumary here: 2014/09/21 FBI-9mm-Justification-FBI-Training-Division

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My Suggestions / Upgrades on your Carry Glock 43

The single stack 9mm market is huge. The Smith & Wesson’s Shield and the new Glock 43 are dominating that market. One great thing about Glock’s is the fact that just about everyone makes parts and accessories for them. The aftermarket accessories and parts are plentiful, and easy to install. So now you have your G43, you have run ample carry ammo through it and it is ready for carry. What are the must haves for your G43.  Let’s keep this simple and pick the three (3) absolute must haves for your Every Day Carry (EDC) G43.

(1) High Quality Holster

(2) Sights

(3) + Mag Extension / Base Pad

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Will Level III Armor Stop High Velocity 5.45mm?

By Andrew Betts

7N6 is some of the warmest 5.45x39mm ammunition available in the US, and it has a steel jacket. What’s more, 53 gr 7N6 is narrower and therefore has a higher sectional density than 5.56x45mm 55 gr M193, which we have already seen can easily defeat level III AR500 armor. Level III is not rated to stop 5.45x39mm, either so this was a difficult one to call.

At first glance, these results seem to be pretty definitive. The plate did stop the round. End of story, right? Maybe not. The impact velocity was 3,167 fps, which was just below the 3,248 fps that compromised an uncoated plate in an earlier test of .223 45 gr varmint ammo. That velocity difference is close enough that one shot cannot really be conclusive. Without at least a five shot average to determine extreme spread for the velocity of that load, we cannot know if the round that hit the plate was at the high or low end of the normal velocity range. Commie ammo has been known to have somewhat inconsistent velocity at times.

While the coating on the plate is not intended to provide any extra ballistic protection, with the velocity so close to the failure point of this plate, it is possible that the coating slowed and/or yawed the bullet just enough. It is also possible that the impact occurred right at or near the V50 of the plate for that round. That is the point at which 50% of the rounds will make it through and 50% will be stopped. It could simply be that this test represents a “lucky” shot.

We hadn’t noticed how close that velocity was to the previous failure point until we got home or we would have fired more rounds at the time. Rest assured, we will repeat the test when we have the opportunity. In the interim, it is interesting to know that this type of armor at least has the potential to protect against threats which substantially exceed its rating.



It all started with an off hand comment.  A friend and I had been shooting to 1,000 yards and a little beyond for years and while talking to a 3rd friend one day and telling him about the D&L sports ITRC and a recent article in The Accurate Rifle magazine about it, I mentioned a section at the end about participants of the match having a choice to “join the One Mile Club”.   The best I can recall, the idea was the shooter got as many rounds as he wanted at the target 1 mile away but, after having made the hit, had to zero back down and make a 100 yard  shot.  The person got only one chance at the 100 yard target after scoring the 1 mile hit or else they would not be counted as one of the OMC according to whatever rules  they had decided on locally.   This had stirred up some talk among the us local long range shooters and got the gears turning.

From there, the friend I was talking to about decided he would build a gun just for the attempt and at a local gun show, a Model 70 long action with trigger was purchased as a base  to build the intended  1 mile rifle. Being a machinist, my friend had intended to barrel the action in some appropriate cartridge yet to be determined and build the action into a chassis  system.  The gun would be huge. heavy and not good for much else.

A few weeks of talk on this line among a few other friends really spread the fire and we started to get serious. We started to look at our options for ways to pull it off.  My friend continued to cling to the idea of building a gun just for the shot, but this had very little appeal to me.  Then as now, I  only wanted to make the hit with something a man could carry by himself and was portable and practical. Another friend who owns the local gun shop got involved and we all determined to decide on appropriate cartridges for the undertaking,  The idea was to use something standard. No wildcats and no full custom rifles.  That was to be out starting attempt. To work with something factory made and if it was not adequate to the task we would move on from there.  Without an unlimited budget we thought it best to use something within our means, and if we found it too lacking or impractical we would then have to decide how much money we were willing to spend to make it happen. Continue reading OUR 1 MILE SHOT ( JOINING THE 1 MILE CLUB )

A look at the Elcan M145 Machine Gun Optic


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The Canadian company Elcan made a couple of odd scopes in the C79/M145 family of optics.  These are fixed 3.4X scopes with external adjustments.

The C79 scope are mainly for rifles, and are tritium powered like ACOGs.  Usually when you see a used C79 for sale, the tritium is old and dim enough that it is unusable.  C79 scopes are mainly seen in use by the Canadian military.

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8mm Mauser vs AR500 Level III Steel Armor

By Andrew Betts

If you haven’t read our previous articles on AR500 armor, please go back and take a look at them. There is some ground work laid in those articles that will help to put this test in better perspective. This article analyzes our test results for Turkish 7.92x57mm vs. AR500Armor.com’s Level III plate. Let’s start with the test video:

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Getting ready for a shooting class.

A few tips for getting ready for a shooting class.

First look at the required equipment list, the items listed there are probably good to bring.

Water/Electrolyte drinks. Many instructors will provide water but it is good to bring your own. Better to have too much in your vehicle, than not enough.

Lunch/snacks. I made the mistake of buying some chocolate power bars at a gas station, they all melted in the Florida heat. Your snacks or lunch need to be able to keep well during the class.

Ammo and mags. Often a pistol class will require 3 pistol magazines. If you have more than that, it can be rather helpful. It is also good to bring more ammo than recommended just in case you get to do more drills or practice then expected.

Slings for rifles, holsters for pistols. It is good to have a place to put your firearm when your not actively shooting.

If you need any supplies, order it early. I wanted to replace my old holster for the last class I took, so I ordered a holster about a month before the class. Unfortunately I did not receive the holster in time for the class.

Protection from the elements. Be ready for rain, mud, sun, etc. Last class I took I skipped the sunscreen and got badly sunburned because of that. Don’t make my mistake.

Show up early, and ready to learn.

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