Several months ago I had the opportunity to meet Joe Chetwood, owner of Crusader Weaponry (crusaderweaponry.com). He had moved into my neighborhood and as we both have a passion for firearms, we naturally ended up meeting each other. I met with Joe at his home on several occasions to talk about the Broadsword and Crusader Weaponry products. One thing led to another and I was soon in possession of the Crusader Weaponry Broadsword .308/7.62 Carbine. From the second you hear Crusader Weaponry’s name, see the Crusader Shield marking etched on the side of the Broadsword, you feel like the paladin of old. The Broadsword channels an era when knights wielded the broadsword, to strike powerful blows to the enemies of righteousness and honor. As I spent time with the Broadsword, I found it to be the modern day, hard hitting, dispenser of .308 justice it was built to be.
Specs / Accessories:
The Broadsword is an AR10 type direct impingent carbine chambered in .308/7.62mm. The Broadsword I was given came equipped with:
- Apex free-float rail system
- Diamondhead Back-UP iron sights (front & Rear)
- BattleComp compensator
- Battle Arms Development ambidextrous safety selector
- Bravo Company 7.62 Gunfighter Charging Handle
- Magpul MAID grip
- Magpul Utility Battle Rifle (UBR) stock
- Two Magpul PMAG 20 round 7.62/308 magazines
- Hard Rifle Case
The upper and lower receivers are a 7075-T6 billet aluminum match set from SI Defense. The upper picatinny rail has engraved “T” mark numbers. I found there was absolutely no play between the upper and lower. The barrel is an 18 inch, 416R match grade stainless steel barrel, with 1/11 twist polygonal rifling.
The upper & lower receivers of the Broadsword are finished in Cerakote Sniper Gray, as well as the barrel. The bolt carrier group and the inside of the upper receiver are treated with Crusader Weaponry’s proprietary Slipstream dry film weapons lube. The dry film lubricant is applied at 150-200 psi, permanently imbedding the dry lubricate to those surfaces it is applied to. The trigger group, charging handle, buffer, and buffer spring can also be treated with Slipstream by choosing different packages offered by Crusader Weaponry.
After spending time with the Broadsword I would change out a few features, like the stock, grip and the rail system, but those are just because of my personal preference. Since Crusader Weaponry is building these custom rifles per individual order, you can get whatever grip, stock or accessories you would prefer. While visiting Crusader Weaponry’s shop, I noticed several Broadsword builds in progress and these rifles had individual requests for different accessories on each rifle.
The Broadsword brakes down just like an AR-15. If you are running a 5.56mm AR-15, the Broadsword will be very familiar. It just has bigger internal parts. Cleaning and maintenance of the bolt carrier group, charging handle, upper receiver, chamber and barrel are extremely familiar, if not identical to your 5.56mm AR15. The only thing you will need to add to your cleaning kit is a 308 chamber brush and bore brush. Once field stripped and cleaned, I applied some of Crusader Weaponry’s proprietary Slipstream STYX lubricant to the Broadswords.
I used a couple of Aimpoint Micro’s and an Aimpoint PRO on the Broadsword. The Broadsword is a lot more accurate than I am and I have seen it fired for accuracy with a magnified optic. A few weeks ago I was able to fire another Broadsword with a 1X4 adjustable scope and found this to be a nice combination. I am not going into formal, measured, MOA accuracy on the Broadsword. I ran the Broadsword like a battle rifle from CQB out to 100 yards. I ran it like a beefed up patrol rifle and as I said before, the Broadsword is a lot more accurate than I am capable of making it. While sighting in the Broadsword, on different optics, I was fully satisfied with 100 yard groups. With some of the OTM match ammo I was right on top of the previous rounds I fired. Once I got it sighted in, I was off to the races running the Broadsword hard.
The trigger felt very close to a standard mil-spec trigger. It had a slightly crisper break than a mil-spec trigger, but there was nothing special about it. It did not affect long range shots but felt very familiar when running it like a patrol rifle. Once again, the trigger group is an area that can easily be upgraded if you want.
The Broadsword is an absolute blast to shoot. For a larger heavier carbine in 308, it has rather natural pointability, very similar to a 5.56mm AR15. I have spent over three months with the Broadsword firing various brands and loads of ammunition through it. I fire close to 1000 rounds of 308 through the Broadsword. I know this particular rifle has been review by several notable industry members and recently was in Special Weapons for Military & Law Enforcement Magazine. This particular Broadsword was very dirty and well used when I got it. The Broadsword never failed during my time with it. It literally chewed its way through everything I put into it. With every thump of 308 fired and with every magazine exchange, the Broadsword just kept going. I even switched back and forth from cheap steel case Monarch to Federal Premium without a stoppage. I found the Broadsword really liked Federal Sierra Match King in 168 grn and 175 grn. I got the best results accuracy wise with this ammo. I found the action to be very smooth. The bolt carrier slid back and forth smoothly even when gritty, dry and hot from prolonged use. After the Slipstream STYX had started to burn off, the Broadsword still ran very smoothly.
Now, the Broadsword is a beast, although it looks slick and sexy it has some weight to it. Nothing a few pushups and exercising won’t fix. It’s nothing you can’t handle but after spending a full day with it, you will know that you have been carrying it around. Although it has weight to it, it is balanced very well. I was able to rack the Gunfighter charging handle with my support hand and change magazines with ease, while holding the Broadsword up with my fire control hand. The weight does dampen down the recoil making the Broadsword smooth and very enjoyable to shoot. Some weight could be shaved off by changing out some of the features on the Broadsword but you will be sacrificing the weight for more recoil.
I found the Broadsword’s recoil was straight back into the pocket of my shoulder. The BattleComp compensator did a nice job of taming the muzzle blast and rise. Now, if you are in a spotter role next to the Broadsword, the BattleComp does nothing for you and you will get your bell rung. After long days of shooting, I found my shoulder was not beat up or feeling the repercussions of all the 308 sent down range. While dumping follow up shoots into my targets, the reacquisition of the sights and Red Dot optics was, smooth and easy to track. With the Broadsword’s features and you doing your part, hard hitting rapid follow up shots, are very easy to keep on target.
The Broadsword does feel like the modern equivalent of the medieval knights broadsword, right down to its cold grey steel look. Finding a 308 battle rifle that runs reliably can be a challenge. Crusader Weaponry is up to this challenge and the Broadsword runs flawlessly. The Broadsword can fill several roles from a heavy patrol rifle, a designated marksman rifle, a hog hunter or anything else you can think to use it for. Crusader Weaponry has several different AR15 and AR10 rifle models available. I had a chance to test fire a Crusader Longbow precision 308, with a very nice Leupold scope mounted on it. Although I only fired a couple of rounds out of the Longbow it looks very promising. I know of only a handful of AR10 type rifles that run reliably. I would put the Crusader Weaponry Broadsword on that list.
Below is a very interesting read from the FBI Training Division, FBI Academy, Quantico, VA. from a few months ago. This was a PDF file that was sent to me by a coworker. I want to emphasis this is not mine and I did not create it/the content. I simply copied the text and placed it in this format, here on Loose Rounds, so it was easier to see. It is an executive summary of justification for law enforcement agencies on 9mm for duty carry. If you have followed us here, you know I have been talking about numerous agencies switching back to 9mm over the last few years, as well as the FBI testing for their switch. Great strides in bullet technology have been made in the past decade and 9mm is on the top of its game. With a select few rounds in 9mm, that have been tested for duty carry, 9mm is fast becoming the best option for duty carry. ( the authors opinion on 9mm being the best defensive round is his and does not reflect the opinion of all looserounds writers or owners-ED) This goes into some detailed history of testing, common caliber myths and justification for 9mm use over other calibers. Enjoy!
“May 6, 2014
FBI Training Division: FBI Academy, Quantico, VA
Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners
- Caliber debates have existed in law enforcement for decades
- Most of what is “common knowledge” with ammunition and its effects on the human target are rooted in myth and folklore
- Projectiles are what ultimately wound our adversaries and the projectile needs to be the basis for the discussion on what “caliber” is best
- In all the major law enforcement calibers there exist projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing LEO’s in a shooting incident and there are projectiles which have a high ting incident likelihood of succeeding for LEO’s in a shooting incident
- Handgun stopping power is simply a myth
- The single most important factor in effectively wounding a human target is to have penetration to a scientifically valid depth (FBI uses 12” – 18”)
- LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident
- Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings)
- 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI
- 9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons)
- The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons)
- There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto
- Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers
Justification for Law Enforcement Partners
Rarely in law enforcement does a topic stir a more passionate debate than the choice of handgun caliber made by a law enforcement organization. Many voice their opinions by repeating the old adage “bigger is better” while others have “heard of this one time” where a smaller caliber failed and a larger caliber “would have performed much better.” Some even subscribe to the belief that a caliber exists which will provide a “one shot stop.” It has been stated, “Decisions on ammunition selection are particularly difficult because many of the pertinent issues related to handguns and ammunition are firmly rooted in myth and folklore.” This still holds as true today as it did when originally stated 20 years ago.
Caliber, when considered alone, brings about a unique set of factors to consider such as magazine capacity for a given weapon size, ammunition availability, felt recoil, weight and cost. What is rarely discussed, but most relevant to the caliber debate is what projectile is being considered for use and its terminal performance potential.
One should never debate on a gun make or caliber alone. The projectile is what wounds and ultimately this is where the debate/discussion should focus. In each of the three most common law enforcement handgun calibers (9mm Luger, .40 Smith & Wesson and .45 AUTO) there are projectiles which have a high likelihood of failing law enforcement officers and in each of these three calibers there are projectiles which have a high likelihood of succeeding for law enforcement officers during a shooting incident. The choice of a service projectile must undergo intense scrutiny and scientific evaluation in order to select the best available option.
Understanding Handgun Caliber Terminal Ballistic Realities
Many so‐called “studies” have been performed and many analyses of statistical data have been undertaken regarding this issue. Studies simply involving shooting deaths are irrelevant since the goal of law enforcement is to stop a threat during a deadly force encounter as quickly as possible. Whether or not death occurs is of no consequence as long as the threat of death or serious injury to law enforcement personnel and innocent third parties is eliminated.
“The concept of immediate incapacitation is the only goal of any law enforcement shooting and is the underlying rationale for decisions regarding weapons, ammunition, calibers and training.”1
Studies of “stopping power” are irrelevant because no one has ever been able to define how much power, force, or kinetic energy, in and of itself, is required to effectively stop a violent and determined adversary quickly, and even the largest of handgun calibers are not capable of delivering such force. Handgun stopping power is simply a myth. Studies of so‐called “one shot stops” being used as a tool to define the effectiveness of one handgun cartridge, as opposed to another, are irrelevant due to the inability to account for psychological influences and due to the lack of reporting specific shot placement. In short, extensive studies have been done over the years to “prove” a certain cartridge is better than another by using grossly flawed methodology and or bias as a precursor to manipulating statistics. In order to have a meaningful understanding of handgun terminal ballistics, one must only deal with facts that are not in dispute within the medical community, i.e. medical realities, and those which are also generally accepted within law enforcement, i.e. tactical realities.
Shots to the Central Nervous System (CNS) at the level of the cervical spine (neck) or above, are the only means to reliably cause immediate incapacitation. In this case, any of the calibers commonly used in law enforcement, regardless of expansion, would suffice for obvious reasons. Other than shots to the CNS, the most reliable means for affecting rapid incapacitation is by placing shots to large vital organs thus causing rapid blood loss. Simply stated, shot placement is the most critical component to achieving either method of incapacitation.
Wounding factors between rifle and handgun projectiles differ greatly due to the dramatic differences in velocity, which will be discussed in more detail herein. The wounding factors, in order of importance, are as follows:
A projectile must penetrate deeply enough into the body to reach the large vital organs, namely heart, lungs, aorta, vena cava and to a lesser extent liver and spleen, in order to cause rapid blood loss. It has long been established by expert medical professionals, experienced in evaluating gunshot wounds, that this equates to a range of penetration of 12‐18 inches, depending on the size of the individual and the angle of the bullet path (e.g., through arm, shoulder, etc.). With modern properly designed, expanding handgun bullets, this objective is realized, albeit more consistently with some law enforcement projectiles than others. 1 Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness: Firearms Training Unit, Ballistic Research Facility, 1989.
B. Permanent Cavity:
The extent to which a projectile expands determines the diameter of the permanent cavity which, simply put, is that tissue which is in direct contact with the projectile and is therefore destroyed. Coupled with the distance of the path of the projectile (penetration), the total permanent cavity is realized. Due to the elastic nature of most human tissue and the low velocity of handgun projectiles relative to rifle projectiles, it has long been established by medical professionals, experienced in evaluating gunshot wounds, that the damage along a wound path visible at autopsy or during surgery cannot be distinguished between the common handgun calibers used in law enforcement. That is to say an operating room surgeon or Medical Examiner cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by .35 to .45 caliber projectiles.
C. Temporary Cavity:
The temporary cavity is caused by tissue being stretched away from the permanent cavity. If the temporary cavity is produced rapidly enough in elastic tissues, the tensile strength of the tissue can be exceeded resulting in tearing of the tissue. This effect is seen with very high velocity projectiles such as in rifle calibers, but is not seen with handgun calibers. For the temporary cavity of most handgun projectiles to have an effect on wounding, the velocity of the projectile needs to exceed roughly 2,000 fps. At the lower velocities of handgun rounds, the temporary cavity is not produced with sufficient velocity to have any wounding effect; therefore any difference in temporary cavity noted between handgun calibers is irrelevant. “In order to cause significant injuries to a structure, a pistol bullet must strike that structure directly.”2 2 DiMaio, V.J.M.: Gunshot Wounds, Elsevier Science Publishing Company, New York, NY, 1987, page 42.
Fragmentation can be defined as “projectile pieces or secondary fragments of bone which are impelled outward from the permanent cavity and may sever muscle tissues, blood vessels, etc., apart from the permanent cavity”3. Fragmentation does not reliably occur in soft tissue handgun wounds due to the low velocities of handgun bullets. When fragmentation does occur, fragments are usually found within one centimeter (.39”) of the permanent cavity.4 Due to the fact that most modern premium law enforcement ammunition now commonly uses bonded projectiles (copper jacket bonded to lead core), the likelihood of fragmentation is very low. For these reasons, wounding effects secondary to any handgun caliber bullet fragmentation are considered inconsequential. 3 Fackler, M.L., Malinowski, J.A.: “The Wound Profile: A Visual Method for Quantifying Gunshot Wound Components”, Journal of Trauma 25: 522‐529, 1958. 4 Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness: Firearms Training Unit, Ballistic Research Facility, 1989.
Any discussion of stopping armed adversaries with a handgun has to include the psychological state of the adversary. Psychological factors are probably the most important relative to achieving rapid incapacitation from a gunshot wound to the torso.5 First and foremost, the psychological effects of being shot can never be counted on to stop an individual from continuing conscious voluntary action. Those who do stop commonly do so because they decide to, not because they have to. The effects of pain are often delayed due to survival patterns secondary to “fight or flight” reactions within the body, drug/alcohol influences and in the case of extreme anger or aggression, pain can simply be ignored. Those subjects who decide to stop immediately after being shot in the torso do so commonly because they know they have been shot and are afraid of injury or death, regardless of caliber, velocity, or bullet design. It should also be noted that psychological factors can be a leading cause of incapacitation failures and as such, proper shot placement, adequate penetration, and multiple shots on target cannot be over emphasized. 5 Ibid.
Shot placement is paramount and law enforcement officers on average strike an adversary with only 20 – 30 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident. Given the reality that shot placement is paramount (and difficult to achieve given the myriad of variables present in a deadly force encounter) in obtaining effective incapacitation, the caliber used must maximize the likelihood of hitting vital organs. Typical law enforcement shootings result in only one or two solid torso hits on the adversary. This requires that any projectile which strikes the torso has as high a probability as possible of penetrating deeply enough to disrupt a vital organ.
The Ballistic Research Facility has conducted a test which compares similar sized Glock pistols in both .40 S&W and 9mm calibers, to determine if more accurate and faster hits are achievable with one versus the other. To date, the majority of the study participants have shot more quickly and more accurately with 9mm caliber Glock pistols. The 9mm provides struggling shooters the best chance of success while improving the speed and accuracy of the most skilled shooters.
While some law enforcement agencies have transitioned to larger calibers from the 9mm Luger in recent years, they do so at the expense of reduced magazine capacity, more felt recoil, and given adequate projectile selection, no discernible increase in terminal performance.
Other law enforcement organizations seem to be making the move back to 9mm Luger taking advantage of the new technologies which are being applied to 9mm Luger projectiles. These organizations are providing their armed personnel the best chance of surviving a deadly force encounter since they can expect faster and more accurate shot strings, higher magazine capacities (similar sized weapons) and all of the terminal performance which can be expected from any law enforcement caliber projectile.
Given the above realities and the fact that numerous ammunition manufacturers now make 9mm Luger service ammunition with outstanding premium line law enforcement projectiles, the move to 9mm Luger can now be viewed as a decided advantage for our armed law enforcement personnel.”
If you want to know more about FBI test protocols for duty ammo, the premium line law enforcement projectiles the FBI is talking about and what rounds to select for self defence, here is a related article: looserounds.com duty/defense-carry-ammunition-selection
On the AR15.com forums there is some discussion about the Canadian version of the M16 family of weapons. A poster by the name of RebelRouser posted this info in a thread about the C7 rifle.
I apologize for not answering sooner. I‘m afraid I have been avoiding the alligators chewing on my ankles to take care of the ones feeding higher up.
To answer your questions as presented:
The effective range published does not have much to do with the barrel but is an infantry doctrine distance to do with the whole system including the man, sights, weapon ammunition and expected employment. So when you see effective range, it is almost always a subjective assessment of the system capability derived by the user instructor (CTC) and rifle requirements office (DLR), usually before the weapon is even bought. In the case of the C7 it included iron sights and was extended (I think) when the C79 sight and the C7A1 came along. The reference to the rifles origins (M16A1E1) is in reference to the sight option first chosen by the CF. The heavy front profile, 1 turn in 7inch barrel is definitely M16A2. As is the cartridge deflector, handguards and many other changes.
Now lets talk barrels:
The C7 barrel is not the same as any M16 barrel except for the exterior profile which is M16A2. The Material is to a formula developed here in Diemaco (under Gov‘t contract) so that the entire bore and chamber configuration can be integrally formed in one operation on a rotary hammer forge. This process produces a barrel that is much stronger than the US M16A2 barrel. The bore dimensions were developed to fire C77 ammunition, (Chamber, bullet lead, diameters) the bore has dimensional reduction as the bullet moves forward (squeeze) to increase life and accuracy. The bore is plated with harder chrome than the M16. This allows greater wear life (2 to 3 times M16) and lets us machine C9 barrels from the same barrel blank. The SFW was recently tested and purchased by the UK special forces and won in competition against the Swiss SIG series rifles and the H&K G36 rifle. This barrel is now in use by the Special Forces in five countries and the US Navy Seals have expressed interest in putting them in the M4 Carbines that they have.
We have just completed a C8 Carbine upgrade program for Canada which is a new barrel with an improved chamber and stronger extractor spring assembly and a weaker ejector spring. These are the same internal configuration as our very successful SFW barrel.
The C7 rifle and C8 Carbine is made under license with a Tech Data Package provided by Colt to the Canadian Gov‘t. Diemaco reviewed the design and made about 150 changes to the drawing package before Canadian production. These are to numerous to mention her but include things like materials and processes as well as a different barrel configuration and manufacturing processes.
The improved handguard we designed here after CWO John Ginn kept beating the Colt version off the weapon on the parade square. You probably can‘t tell from the outside but if the you take the handguard off, you will notice two types. The improved version has two large ribs under the heat shield and three interlocking ribs on either edge as well as different material. These were introduced late in the program so they had to be interchangable and be a good match with the old handguard.
Another change you may notice is the small diameter front sight post that we developed when soldiers complained that the US large square one actually obscured the target at ranges of 300 and greater.
I hope this helps you with the discussion and thank you for your interest in the C7.
Product Engineering Dept.
Diemaco a division of Heroux- Devtek
Please note: Any opinions expressed or implied in this email are personal are not necessarily those of Heroux Devtek or Diemaco
In keeping with our opening up for submissions from guest writers, from other countries, today we have a review of a vest/carrier from Janet Chan. Janet has her own facebook and forum where she reviews tactical products for everyone. Today she has written a review of a South Korean ( ROK) Police Tactical Plate Carrier with its supplemental pouches and gear. The vest is currently used by the South Korean police force SWAT teams and is popular around the area with Paintball, Airsoft and sabage players.
By Janet Chan
I was in Korea for vocation the last 2 weeks, and by a chance, I got a PeaceMaker Vest from one of my Korean friends” Mr. Bin Chang”. A big THANKS to him, he is a really kind and mindful person. He gave me the Vest with the full amount of accessories. I’ve made a detail review for this product. The Vest is made of Cordura 500D water repellent material with Mesh lining. Shoulder strap comes with abrasion resist material and detachable cushion pads for more comfort and help with weight
I found that the vest is really functional with many practical Magazine pouches, utilitiy pouches, bags etc. It is a good comfortable fit for user even with fully loaded gear. If you prefer something handy, all pouches and magazine holders can be detached. but size is little too big for female. For Male, I think this is really good and looks good as well. I also learn that Korea S.W.A.T team is currently using the PEACEMAKER Tactical plate carrier as well and clearly it is set up for police and urban operations.
Brand name : PEACE MAKER (Korea)
Material : Cordura 500D (WaterProof)
Lining : Mesh
On Front :
Three Magazine Pouches ( triple shingle )with adjustable String bungee closures. It will fit for M4, AR/M16, SCAR, AUG or AKs
Two Magazine Pouches with velcro closure made for Hand Gun Magazines. the pouches will fit single or double stack magazines for semi auto pistols. The top front of the vest is covered with PALS webbing and soft velcro for attaching patches or IR tabs etc. The inside cut is made to hold the rifle plates made to the same cut as the SAPI/ ESAPI style and allows for easier movement of the arms and shoulders when shooting,
On Shoulder :
Cushion Pad with Loops : For Radio Antena , Map that can be threaded to so they are secured and out of the way and not sticking in your face or catching on anything around you.
The pouches have the versatility for a variety of rifle magazines as said above. The carrier portion looks the size to hold small to medium ESAPI plates and soft armor for protection. The sides will also hold soft armor or be able to attach side ESAPI’s via the PALS webbing.
The vest closes via velcro in the front in the same manner of plate carriers of this type, much liek the TAG Banshee or any like it.
On the right (Outer) sections of the cumber bun :
One Utility Pouch/ General purpose with Zipper opening
One Magazine Pouch with bungee string and button closure : fit for Hand Gun Magazine
On Wearer Right (Inner) :
Mesh Side Bag
On Wearer Left (Outer) :
One Bigger Size Utility Pouch with Zipper Opening
One Magazine Pouch with string and button closure : fit for Hand Gun Magazine
On Wearer Left (Inner) :
Mesh Side Bag
On Back :
One Bigger Size Utility Pouch with Buckle Closure. This pouch can be used for a small assault pack or more likely it was intended to hold a gas mask. The pouch can hold water, rain jacket or any support gear you may need. The rear of the cumber bun is the typical adjustable model with bungee cord to adjust it for size and fit. This is a flexible system though not always the fastest or most quite.
Where to Buy :
You can read more from Janet by following her links below.
A couple of weekends ago I was at the range testing out my new Surefire 762 suppressor. I ended up doing more chatting than shooting as I answered a great deal of questions about obtaining NFA items (Silencers, Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, Short Barreled Rifles, Short Barreled Shotguns, Any Other Weapons(AOW), etc)
Two common misconceptions I hear are:
1. “NFA items are illegal.” Wrong. In many places you can own machine guns, silencers, destructive devices, etc.
2. “You need to be a Class 3 Dealer to own NFA item.” Once again, wrong, you pay a tax stamp to own a “Title 2″ item. Class 3 is the type of dealer to sell these title 2 items.
There are some hoops you have to jump through to get a NFA item. The first time you buy something that is Title 2 it may be daunting. However while the process can be long, it isn’t actually that horrible.
I’ve only owned Silencers and Short Barreled Rifles.
On silencers, they are awesome! If you want one, get one.
A couple of suggestions. Don’t try to go cheap. What you buy you are stuck with. Find the suppressor that best fits your needs and get that one. Figure out what your priorities are. Some cans are smaller and lighter, but then they are louder(like my Surefire 7.62 SOCOM mini pictured above). Some cans are very quiet, but rather large and heavy. The lightest cans tend to be titanium, which makes them very expensive. Figure out your needs in order, and buy the can that fits those. For me, it is, “Minimal point of impact shift, mounting system, size/weight, suppression, cost” What you need or want may be a different order. Then, if possible, listen to what the can you want sounds like in person before you buy it. Know what type of performance you will get, so your not surprised or disappointed when you get it.
One last note, sometimes sticklers say that there is no such thing is a silencer, only “suppressors” because it doesn’t completely silence a firearm. Well my paperwork says I own a “silencer”, so I own a silencer.
I really like short barreled rifles. I have two SBR AR15s, with a Colt 6945 that I am waiting on. I had a short AK in the past, but I sold that.
The SBR AR15 is really a wonderful versatile gun. You can easily change calibers, barrel lengths, configuration, etc. However nows with accessories like the “Pistol Stabilizing Brace” I recommend to people to buy an AR15 pistol instead of a SBR. There is no paperwork, you can easily sell it if you don’t like it.
If your not familiar with the “Stabilizing Brace” here is a video of Jerry Miculek playing around with a couple
Having a not-stock like that doesn’t stop the pistol from being a pistol, so you have most all the benefits of a SBR minus the paperwork. But if you truly want a SBR, go get it.
The wait after you submit your NFA paperwork to the ATF really sucks. If you never submit your paperwork, you will never get that NFA item. I have had people tell me that they have filled out a form 1 to SBR a gun, but haven’t mailed them in because they don’t want to wait. When I ask when they filled out the forms they give me a reply like, “Oh, about a year ago.” Had they mailed in the form, they would have had their SBR by now.
I am not a fan of bullpups. In fact, you could say I hate the things. But, there is an exception to every rule and now, my exception is the AUG. Since the 80s, I have always admired the AUG as a cool exotic weapon that was hard to get my paws on here and it only got harder to find one until recently. Then, it just became hard to get a good one. Over the weekend, my friend and one of Looseorunds guest writers brought in his new Steyr AUGA3 for us to use and abuse until our heats became intend. And while the AUG is not perfect, it lived up to be everything I hoped it would be.
The new AUGA3 is not a knock off or cheap copy, but a real Steyr AUG. The barrel is made by FN with what is said to be a 1/9 twist. But recent investigation has shown the barrel twist to be closer to a 1/8.5. I will talk more on that in a bit. The gun uses the original magazine pattern, but lacks the original low powered optic. Instead it comes with the infinitely more useful railed top.
The gun also has a side mounted rail for adding accessories you may need or want to add. We mounted the excellent Aimpoint T-1 in a Laure mount, and the nice compact Surefire X300 on the side rail. This gave a very compact and handy general purpose package. One of the down sides to the AUG is the slight difficulty of being able to activate some of the on/off switches to weapons lights. This can be over come, but every solution we came up with never really seemed to be idea in my opinion, As it stands now, the light would have to be turned constant on/off when needed. I am sure some one else will eventually come up with a good solution to this.
As can be seen in the picture above, the top rail still has plenty of space for NOD mounting and even has room left over for a IR/visible laser that an be mounted in front, or a set of BUIS. All of this adds not weight to the rifle that makes the way it handles change in any way that we could detect.
After zeroing the red dot at the typical 50 yard zero, we took it up to shoot at some of the longer distances to see how it would feel and perform,
After shooting at 300 yards and on “Q” target and determining that it stabilized the MK 262 load, I then started shooting it at a steel target at 800 yards. The gun was fully capable of getting hits on the plate at 800 with no problem. It was actually easier to hit the plate with the AUG than it was when using an HK417 in 308. The short stiff barrel is very accurate. Match ammo produced 1 MOA groups while M193 gave the typical 2-2.5 MOA groups.
Above, the owner poses beside the steel at 800 to show its size and the hits on the plate from the 5.56 AUGA3. The pate is not the same size as a man, so it is a lot better performance that it seems without being able to see the actual size of the target compared. Once again I want to point out that it is no big deal to shoot beyond 200 yards with a red dot sight despite what gun board experts will claim. The right zero and quality ammo makes it no real feat. In my opinion the RDS with a good zero on a 556 rifle is very close to being the perfect general purpose combo.
Now on to the qualities that really make the AUG stand out to me. This gun is so easy to fire with speed it was a huge surprise to me. The recoil is tame. Tame and flat. When firing the gun during rapid fire drills, it seems that it is like shooting a .22LR. The recoil comes straight back and is very, very light. The gun seems to not rise at all. My first thought on shooting it was how great it would be for run and gun competition, It is like using an AR15 with a really good brake. It is something you have to see for yourself to really enjoy how smooth and soft it is. I would be interested to know what it was like with a sound suppressor on it.
Another thing about this gun that was a surprise to me was how great the trigger turned out to be. It was not light weight, but it broke very clean. Just like the cliched “glass rod.” I would say it had about the same pound trigger as the average AR. but it broke very clean with little creep or just anything that you would expect from a gun like this. Or anything without a match trigger really. This greatly added to the easy of hitting at 800 yards consistently with the rifle.
Reliability was all you could ask for. After a 100 round mag dump, it still worked perfectly. One of the mags my friend brought with the gun was around 20 years old and it worked just like the two new mags that came with it. And those mags are very well made and tough. The ribbed and roughed finished mags are easy to grab and manipulate under speed but do not have a rough low quality look or feel. The ribbing adds to the strength no doubt, and the smoked translucent polymer give you the ability to see the loaded status. One of the mags was the 42 round version and it still felt balances in the gun and gave no trouble. All of the mags also nicely fit in common M16 mag pouched just as you would expect.
The safety is the cross bar type but was not trouble to get used to after a short bit of use. And, it actually seemed really natural after using it a bit. It was located on the stock where it is easy to hit on activate on and off easily. It is no AR15 safety by any means, but it is not something I would even nit pick about.
Now, the downsides. The gun is not ambi. The charging handle is not, and the ejection port would have you eating brass as you fired it when set up for your strong hand. You can have it one way or the other, but no both. Another thing, is you HAVE to wear gloves if you are going to shoot it a lot and fast. We forgot our gloves and we both burned ourselves. It is very easy to put your alternate killing hand too high up on the vertical grip and touch the barrel. Especially if you forget and try to hold the gun like you do the rail on a AR15. The receiver also gets hot as the devil’s butthole as well. Even just letting the gun hang buy sling means you have to be very careful. It being as short as it is, it is very easy to let it touch some part of your upper torso or thighs or have it touch against you when moving or handling something else. I can easily imagine transitioning from the AUG to a handgun and when letting it hang, burn yourself in some places you never want burned. So you have to be careful think about it. But this is mainly training issues that can be worked around and reduced. Like I said above the light placement is also a but if a down side, The light is fine, but being able to turn it on and off without shifting the hand. If a cord is ran for a pressure bad to the VFG, I would be concerned the heat from the barrel and receiver would burn or melt the wiring.
Reloading is not where near as fast as an AR15 thought with practice many have gotten very fast. It is not as natural or ergonomic, but it is something you can train to. While not really a problem it is something to be aware of and needs a very different gun handling skill set on the AUG. The butt stock is also not adjustable like a M4 carbine. This is not so much a problem since everything you would sight through already sets well to the rear by design of the bullpup. But maybe for some one very small, it could possibly affect the ability to manipulate the trigger and safety if wearing body armor. We had no problems with this though.
the AUGA3 is a very fine gun and in my opinion, is a lot better than the tavor, which I loathe. It has a great balance and is very easy to shoot and move with. If you have the hots for a bullpup, this is the only one you will ever hear me recommend. It is a classic for sure and like the AR15 pattern, it has had enough years and combat use behind it to know you are getting a real combat hardened carbine, not some hyped up attempt to be different.
A few weeks ago, Comp-Tac was nice enough to send me some of their product to test and use for our readers. I received the excellent leather belt and the new Flatline kydex holster. http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=302&osCsid=kehesa4s68c68koa9kd65t8ll1
Having already been a fan and constant user of the Minotaur inside IWB holster, I was excited to get the Flatline. Unlike the Minotaur, the flatline is all Kydex. But the Flatline has the very handy feature of being an inside and an outside the belt holster. Comptac sends with the holster, all the clips and adapters you need to swap it around for whatever need you may have. To use their words on the website “
Flatline Clips: are the most innovative clips on the market. made of durable flexible plastic, these clips hold firmly and securely. The plastic material is flexible enough to withstand bending and twisting without breaking and will be gentle on your belt, clothing and car seats.
The Flatline is shipped with 6 clips: Two Flatline clips, Two offset-Flatline clips and Two standard clips.”
The Flatline and its belt adapting clips, allow you to position the the holster as deep in inside your pants as you would like, or high or low on the belt. Also, you can adjust it for the cant you may like so you can get the exact draw you are looking for. You can also adjust how close the pistol and holster hugs your body. That is a feature I greatly appreciate because it seems most of the time, I can not get a holster tight enough against me to suit my needs. And, kydex being what it is, offers a very fast slick draw and the ability to re-holster the gun without having to worry about the top closing up on you. Like other holster Comptac makes, you can also adjust the holster for retention. A lot of other small companies make great outside the belt kydex holster, but few of them let you adjust the level of retention on it with a simple tool.
The above picture shows the holster with the belt loops for use outside the belt. You order the belt loops for whatever size you want to ensure it is not loose on the belt or too tight. And as can be seen, they can be replaced easily to re-purpose into the inside the belt. You can also see the molding that fits the 1911 like a glove. Nothing on the holster is rough or sharp. I have been wearing it for a little over two weeks and it is very comfortable. The extended portion that protects your skin or shirt from the gun is very welcome. Even if the gun does not hurt me, I like the fact this protects the gun from my sweaty body. Either way it is something I consider very valuable for a do it all hard use CCW holster.
If you are worried the Flatline is some how bigger than other CCW holster Comptac makes, no need to worry. The picture above shows the Flatline beside the Minotaur that I have used for a very long time. The dedicated IWB holster is made from Kydex and leather with the adjustable dept clips and is about as comfy as it can get, But it does not have the versatility of the Flatline. I have even managed to secure the Flatline to a MOLLE “war belt” Using the holes made into its body. It is very easy to adapt to what you need. If you are looking for a holster to fill a lot of roles, and only have enough money to spend on one very high quality do it all holster, the Flatline is what I would recommend for inside and outside, That way you can swap around and find out exactly what you want. At 75.00 dollars, the Flatline is around the same price of most more custom made kydex holster, and cheaper than a lot of the pure custom holster made by companies that aim to make you believe that cater to the more tactical special users and all that hype. It is a great deal and you get great quality from a company that is all about useful, quality products.
the belt I got from CompTac is as good as it gets. I really do not know how else to put it. It is the Kydex reinforced leather gun belt and it is superb. This thing looks great, feels great, works great and is great. It is stiff enough to hold up the heaviest of side arms and anything else you want to attach and it does not roll up or bend and it does not wear out from metal or kydex rubbing against it for hours and hours. I have an older one of these I have had a long while and I think it may be invincible.
You can check out the options on this baby at the link above. You can get it in black or brown and with or without a taper. I like the no taper model myself, in brown. It looks good enough to use anytime and I use it as my belt for just about everything. But make sure you look over the chart about the sizing before you order. You can also get the belt with velcro lining to adapt to some of the other attaching methods.
My camera is not the greatest in the world, but hopefully you can see the heavy duty stitching and high quality workmanship that goes into this belt. It is so good, if the situation becomes desperate enough, I am sure you can take it off and beat a crazy or terrorist to death with it. I could go on and on about this belt, I really feel this is the best belt for the money I have ever seen to not be some kind of highly hand tooled show off belt ( which is not really my cup of tea anyway) or some other type not really practical. The kydex in it makes it just right as far as the stiffness goes. I hold up a full steel 1911 with surefire light and two extra 10 round mag reloads all day all the time, and the belt has shown no wear at all. the icing on the cake is, it stays comfortable with no problems at all. If you can only get one belt for the rest of your life, and can not get one made of pure gold, this is the belt you should get. I know I would.
Once again, I feel Comptac has made a great and versatile holster and I am very thankful they sent me the stuff to try it out. It is always worth the money when you get gear they make and I can assure you, buying Comptac CCW gear is never a mistake.
By now, almost everyone has heard of the HK417 and any serious gun owner and enthusiasts know about the MR762 civilian version of the same rifle. Over the weekend I got to test out the MR762A1, which I will refer to as the HK417 or just “417” for the rest of this review. The gun was tested for accuracy at long range with match ammo and shorter ranges for uses that are ore fitting a ‘battle carbine”, to see how it handles and how easy it is to control when using more speedy and violent manipulations.
The rifle used the extended rail to give the gun more space to mount equipment. It has a harris bipod and Leupold tactical 3x-9x optic in ADM mounts, For the shorter range, the gun was equipped with a Trijicon SRS and the bipods removed.
The rifle was shot at 800 and 300yards using Federal Gold medal match ammo. The 800 yard target was a steel man shaped target with the 300 yard target being a Q target made of cardboard for testing accuracy.
Above picture shows the 417 while firing at the 800 yard target. I found the recoil of the 417 a lot stiffer than I expected. The gun torques when fired and is very noticeable. I had not encountered this amount of recoil and torque from a semi auto AR pattern type rifle from any other models before and was surprised. It was something that took me a couple of mags to get used to. The muzzle blast was also surprising. Being a 16 inch barrel, I expected a certain amount of blast, but it was more than I was ready for. I was told it was partly due to the muzzle device design on the rifle.
The target is man shaped, but obviously considerably smaller than a real person. But once I zeroed the optic for 800 yards was able to keep 8 out of 10 rounds out of the ten round magazine, on target. Both of us shooting it, had the same result. The trigger of the 417 is a two stage trigger and though I would not call it a real “match trigger” like the SSA, it is a lot closer to it than a typical milspec trigger. It gave no problems. It had a little creep in its second stage but it was very useable. Owner intend to replace it with a SSA trigger and I think that is a good idea. If the gun is to be used in the DMR or long range role in a dedicated way, it would be an improvement.
After shooting close to 100 rounds at the 800 yard target I move to the 300 yard target for some accuracy testing to see what kind of groups it would give with the Federal Gold medal match 168 grain ammo.
This target above is representative of the other groups fired at 300 yards. I fired multiple 10 round groups and all looked pretty much the same being 2-2.5 MOA. Other than the two sighting shots, the “record” group is the cluster I circled in the black marker. It is the best group I shot at the 300 yard target. Sorry to say the other pictures blurred, but this is the best group. The three shot clover leaf is obviously pure chance.
Lastly was the close range more rapid firing of the H&K417. This is where I started to have some problems with the gun. I found the gun very hard to control during rapid fire drills. The torque was back in a major way and it just plain kicked. It was hard for me to control and did not just lay flat and let me run it like an M4 carbine like the Colt 901 will let you do. My friend who had more time on the gun got a handle on it much better than me, but still there was no tight little impact zone. He also mentioned the torquing of the gun and the effort it takes.The red dot of course helped, but even with the large view of the SRS, I just plain had trouble keeping it in tight on target. I am by no means new to shooting full power battle rifles and carbines, but this one was a handful. I have never liked the feel of the piston operated AR patterns and this rifle did not make me rethink that in any way.
Above is my friends shoulder after 60 rounds with the 417 doing rapid fire drills. I also suffered bruising from the HK. I had not had this kind of experience with any other 762 AR pattern rifle. I honestly found the gun unpleasant for off hand rapid drills when used in the battle carbine role. I would keep it strictly as a long range rifle.
Now here is the part that will cause many to gasp and call for my head while calling me a liar.
The gun experienced at least 6 instances of failure to feed or other malfunctions. The ammo used was NATO 7.62 spec.
We speculated on the causes of the malfunctions as they only appeared during rapid fire. Mag problems or ammo problems, I do not know for sure. as the gun started to run fine after this happening within 40 rounds fired. After it decided to work fine, the gun was fine. A few time we got it hot enough to smoke the barrel and become to hot to hold even the VFG.
It was a great chance to test the much vaunted HK417 AKA MR762A1 today, and it is an interesting piece. I think for the full on H&K fans they would be happy with the 417, but for its price, I would never buy one or even really recommend it. If it was 2,000 or maybe 2,500 I could maybe see it. It is not as accurate as a Larue by any means, and it just simply can not be run as fast and softly as a Colt LE901. Accuracy of the gun is fine. From what I understand, this is not intended to be a sniper precision rifle, so the performance of the rifle’s accuracy is all you could expect from something without a match barrel. It does very well with the federal gold medal like most quality rifles. If I had to personally rank the 7.62 battle carbine/rifles, I would go in this order. 1. Colt 901. 2, SCAR H and 3. the 417 The OBR and KAC guns I consider more precision guns so they are not on the list of “battle carbines”. That is all my personal opinion and it may be different than yours, so you do not have to get bent out of shape. Like I said above. the 417 is a fine gun, and I am sure the feeding issues may not be the guns fault, but the price asked for it is just not justified. I am sure any real HK fan will be willing to pay for it, but if that does not describe you, but you want a serious 7.62 battle carbine of the new gen, I would take a hard look at some of the other offerings right now until the prices come down on these, Regardless I would never opt for a piston rifle if I had a choice.