I mean, it has been around for 30 years, I’ve only had mine for 13 years.
I hate this pack. But that is just me, ignore that.
When I was in Iraq, back in 2006, I was my platoon’s radio operation. I don’t think my higher ups liked me much, so I got that job. Carrying that AN/PRC-117F really sucked. I kept looking for a better way or back to carry it as it made my back and knees hurt packing the radio along with all my other gear, and the radio support gear. One of the several packs I got during that time was an Eagle A-III airborne pack.
There is some debate if the Eagle A-III was a copy of some other design, but it was one of the early purpose made tactical packs that was greatly copied by other companies in and out of the tactical community. There were many versions of this pack. Some where slick, some had ALICE webbing, some had MOLLE webbing, other has purpose made pouches. Blackhawk copied and and made it overseas cheaply flooding the market. I think that lead to Eagle discontinuing it. John Carver, designer of the A-III, now has a company called Atlas46 which makes new production “A3 Legacy Pack”.
The basic A-III pack pretty much look like any other modern backpack. But back when it came out, having a smaller pack that was completely subdued was a pretty nice option. I wanted to buy one covered with MOLLE webbing, so I could slap on what ever pouches I wanted for the mission I was doing.
The picture above is what I wanted to buy. But, that was unavailable. So I had to settle with the airborne model. Part of me loves the idea of having a jumpable pack. But, for it to be jumpable, it has tons of extra straps and stuff sown on it.
Most annoying for me, was that the airborne model had pockets sown on the sides. On one side there was a small general purpose pouch. On the other a radio pouch and a pouch about the right side for 2 M16 magazines. I used these to carry extra AA, CR123, and those big BA5-something or another batteries.
One of the big selling points of this pack, back in the day, was that you could open the main compartment completely. That was pretty rare 30 years ago. Inside the A-III pack, there were often cinch down straps for securing what was inside the pack. There are all manner of customer A-III, some with pre-segmented main compartments. For example there was a medic’s version of the pack organized for medical gear.
Each side of the top of the pack has a hook and loop secured flap covering an opening. These two opening would corespond to the antenna and the microphone of a AN/PRC-117F radio. They could also be used for a hydration pouch, or similar. This pack has an area for a hydration pouch, but does not include one.
They sold a stiffener you could purchase and place in that area to give the pack additional rigidity. This had a strip of vertical alumnium in. It did sorta work, but wasn’t worth the cost.
The bottom of the airborne pack has some of the normal webbing, along with a weird set of velcro covered flaps. I’ve been told that the idea was that you could put a pop flare in there, and easily grab it with either hand when wearing the pack. I tried putting a M127A1 Parachute flare there once. Not a practical place for it. Also I didn’t like that when I took the pack off and set it on the ground it would be sitting on the flare.
It comes with a couple extra straps so you could strap gear to the outside. For example you could use them to strap a sleeping bag or mat to the bottom of the pack. It also has a waist band. I removed mine, and found it the other day which caused me to dig up this old pack from storage. Now that I have the pack out, I can’t find the waist strap. It was generic and padded, nothing special.
Between the main compartment, and the two other compartments on the body of the pack, the A-III had plenty of storage space. It seems now that we tend to use either much smaller packs, or much larger packs. Even so, there are many A-III packs and knock offs out there still being put to use.
But not mine, I hate this thing. It wasn’t the model I wanted, and it reminds me of a job I hated.
The Following article about the Black Talon was written by Dean Speir on his now defunct website, The Gun Zone. Which used to be the home of Daniel’s The 5.56MM TIMELINE, which now resides here. Mr. Speir wrote this about the infamous Winchester Black Talon and its history in the media. I hope he doesn’t mind that I saved it for reposting here. So much was lost when TGZ assumed room Temp it would be a shame if it was lost forever.
On Thursday, 1 July 1993, 55-year-old mortgage broker Gian Luigi Ferri entered the San Francisco law offices of Pettit&Martin and opened fire with two Intratec TEC-DC9s and a Colt .45 ACP pistol1.
Ferri killed eight and wounded six before turning the gun on himself.
Moving through the office, he fired the TEC-9s which were loaded with a
combination of Black Talon and conventional ammunition. Ferri ended the
lives of some of the wounded with Black Talon rounds from his Colt
pistol. Faced with financial problems, Ferri held a grudge against Pettit&Martin because the law firm had represented him in a 1980s trailer-park transaction that had gone bad.
Contemporaneous news reports cited the Black Talons’ “razor sharp claws,” and the resulting wounds as “devastating and non-survivable.”
However, a year later at an International Wound Ballistics Association
conference, the San Francisco Medical Examiner, Boyd Stevens, M.D., who
had conducted the post mortems of the shooting victims stated that the wound trauma produced by the Black Talon was “unremarkable.”2
Five months and six days after the Ferri shootings, Colin Ferguson, a
native of the Caribbean island of Jamaica, went on a murderous rampage
on the Long Island Railroad (NY) with a questionably purchased3
Ruger P89 loaded with 9 X 19mm Black Talon 147-grain rounds,
approximately one month following Olin’s decision to remove the entire
Black Talon brand of ammunition from the Winchester commercial
Representative of the anti-gun, anti-Black Talon hyperbole of the period
was this over-wrought description of the carnage Ferguson wreaked on
Perhaps a prayer can
stop a Black Talon. But a pocketbook probably will not. The bullet is
designed to unsheathe its claws once inside the victim’s body and tear
it to pieces. That’s what Colin Ferguson was firing, to the right, then
the left, as he walked backward through the third car of the 5:33 train
to Hicksville, New York, last Tuesday night. And the passengers who
crushed toward the exits or dove under their seats or tried to hide
behind their handbags did not stand much of a chance.– Time Magazine, 20 December 1993
One can not unreasonably argue that “Black Talon” never really had a chance either… except in the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit: McCarthy v. Olin Corp., 119 F.3d 148 (2d Cir. 1997) which ruled…
Black Talon is a hollowpoint bullet designed to bend upon impact into
six ninety-degree angle razor-sharp petals or “talons” that increase the
wounding power of the bullet by stretching, cutting and tearing tissue
and bone as it travels through the victim. . . .
[P]laintiffs failed to allege the existence of a design defect in the
Black Talon because the ammunition must by its very nature be dangerous
to be functional. … The risk of the Black Talon arises from the function of the product, not from a defect in the product. . . .
The very purpose of the Black Talon bullet is to kill or cause severe wounding. . . .
Because we hold that the Black Talon bullets were not defectively
designed, we must affirm the dismissal of appellants’ strict liability
And that’s where the Black Talon issue rests today.
It was the Winchester Ammunition Company’s BIG announcement for the 1991
SHOT Show: “Black Talon” handgun ammunition, the first major munitions
maker’s response to the post-11 April 1986 hysteria over the “ammo
failure” in the notorious FBI Firefight.
In Fall 1993, Winchester took their Black Talon brand of hollow-point
ammunition off the commercial market after the rounds were singled out
during a particularly intense period of concern about gun violence.
Winchester officials used research to show that the Black Talon was no more deadly4
than any of the other hollow point bullets on the market, but they
pulled the ammunition from the shelves to quiet public concern. Black
Talon was the first product Winchester had ever removed from the market
for reasons other than manufacturing defects in the almost 130-year
history of the company.
“It is a hazard and shouldn’t be used,” Dr. Edward Quebbeman, professor of pediatric5 surgery at the Medical College of Wisconsin and a general surgeon in Milwaukee hospitals was quoted in the September/October 1993 issue of thed radical-Liberal Mother Jones Magazine. “At an absolute minimum, I would like to see it banned from the civilian population.”
So too did the eloquent and blustering Democratic senior Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan6, who told a visibly horrified Jane Pauley, “It’s designed to rip your guts out!” in response to a question from the bopolar interviewer on WNBC’s “Live at Five” television show.
Within the week, then Winchester Ammo President Gerald W. Bersett,
having been ambushed in his own driveway one morning by a TV crew intent
on some headline-making “gotcha journalism,” ordered the rounds taken
out of the commercial distribution chain.
For all intents and purposes, the “Black Talon” brand was dead from that moment forward.
What it is/was…
The original Black Talon7
line of handgun ammunition was introduced at the 1991 SHOT Show in
Dallas, and was marked by a black-colored projectile seated in a
nickel-plated case, which made for a very “sexy” round! With the black
bullets and gleaming cases, they looked as if they were the “official
handgun ammo” of the Oakland Raiders professional football team.
The bullet’s black molybdenum disulfide coating… Winchester’s proprietary name for which is “Lubalox…”
was applied for increased lubricity. The tip of the projectile utilizes
six serrations on the hollow cavity’s nose (meplat). Upon introduction
at a specific velocity into soft tissue, the projectile’s jacket
expanded along those six pre-stressed lines forming the “talon.”
Winchester described this as:
Six uniform, radial jacket petals with perpendicular tips.
Winchester’s Dave Schluckebier8 and Alan Corzine designed the Black Talon in the late ’80s with what they termed a “reverse-taper jacket;” i.e.,
unlike conventional hollowpoint handgun projectile construction, the
copper jacket is thicker at the nose than at the base. This heavier
gauge provides the necessary structural stiffness to the “talons” after
expansion so they remain in optimal position to slice through tissue as
it parts around the mushroomed skirt of the bullet.
The Scandal and Beyond
The controversy over the Black Talon took place in an era when the
public was largely uninformed about the reality of the new bullet
technology developed in response to the FBI-facilitated Wound Ballistics
Seminar at Quantico in September 1987.
To complicate matters, sentiment was already being heavily influenced by
the efforts of anti-gun organizations such as Handgun Control, Inc. The
issue blew into a firestorm, with HCI, the media, and even some in law
enforcement vilifying the rounds and inflaming the public with such near
hysterical statements from a surgeon in a Houston, Texas Emergency Room
that the rounds were…
…being designed to explode inside a person like a thousand razor blades, (with) most people having almost no chance of survival.
Little wonder that Ms. Pauley looked a little pasty around the gills.
And HCI, having worked Josh Sugarmann’s extraordinarily prescient “strategy of confusion“9
so well in the aftermath of the Patrick Purdy schoolyard shooting in
Stockton, California almost five years earlier, reconfigured that
campaign to “help” the public believe that the Black Talons were “deadly
At that point it was an understandable “corporate decision” for
Winchester’s Bersett to hit the panic button as a damage control
1.- All three
of Ferri’s weapons were acquired from licensed dealers by illegal
means. A California resident with a still-valid Nevada driver’s license,
Ferri traveled from California to Nevada to buy the Intratec guns.
Because he lied about his residency, the handguns were purchased
illegally. Both of Ferri’s TEC-DC9s were equipped with Hellfire trigger
activators, a small spring device which allows the shooter to mimic the
speed of fully-automatic fire.
2.- Winchester Ranger Talon (Ranger SXT/Black Talon) Wound Ballistics.
handgun had been obtained at a California sporting goods store after
Ferguson had shown proof of residency, a driver’s license using the
address of a motel where he was staying. Ferguson passed the background
check and waited the mandatory 15 days before picking up his gun.
Ironically, siqnificantly undercutting the implied claims of
Winchester’s advertising campaign for the Black Talon line of handgun
5.- Why were we not surprised? The American Academy of Pediatrics was in the forefront of the anti-gun onslught in the earlt ’90s.
6.- But then
Moynihan had spent his entire senatorial career (1976-2000) attempting
to ban one form of handgun ammunition or another, mostly .25 ACP, .32
ACP and, despite the law enforcement wundernine transition craze of the late ’80s, during the 102nd Congress (1991-1992) even 9 X 19mm/9mm
parabellum! When it came to the Black Talon rounds, however, Moynihan
was threatening a 1000% tax on all hollow-point handgun cartridges.
7.- Olin had briefly considered naming their new round “Black Widow,”
but a far-thinking employee quickly dissuaded the company from such an
undertaking. Even so, at least one major West Coast law enforcement
agency with a well-identified public relations problem with the
African-American community it served, refused to purchase the rounds for
duty issue unless Winchester shipped them in generic packaging similar
to the company’s “USA” brand ammo without any “Black Talon” identification.
8.- Not long
after the Black Talon project was completed at Olin, Schluckebier moved
to Remington where he designed and developed the “Golden Saber” line of
September 1988, four months prior to Purdy’s rampage with a
semi-automatic Kalasknikov in January 1989, Sugarmann had issued “Assault Weapons and Accessories in America: a strategy paper”
in anticipation of just such an event, suggesting that the anti-gunners
raise a hullabaloo about “the need to ban such deadly assault rifles,”
by trading on the public’s inability to tell the difference between a
fully automatic and a semi-automatic firearm. He urged that the
anti-gunners make use of this confusion to open another front with
greater prospects of success, noting that:
weapons are quickly becoming the leading topic of America’s gun control
debate and will most likely remain the leading gun control issue for
the near future. Such a shift will not only damage America’s gun lobby,
but strengthen the handgun restriction lobby….
The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over
fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons –
anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun –
can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these
weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these
Following Stockton, the pro-Second
Amendment people immediately went on a silly counter-offensive
correcting the media about “assault rifles,” by definition being capable
of full-auto fire, having already been heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934.
A lot of good that did…
within a very short time President Bush (#41) and his “drug czar,” Bill
Bennett, had banned further importation of all AK-47s and most other
semi-automatic rifles, the media quickly adopted Sugarmann’s “assault
weapon” term, and in September 1994 the Clinton Administration passed a
major ban on such firearms and high capacity magazines as part of a
After I did a tour in Iraq in 06, I was close to the end of my service, I ended up in a camp guard force. Spend 6 hours on watch, then 6 hours off. Spent that time in guard shacks in 3 walls (and an open side). It is was miserable, we were allowed to wear hooded sweatshirts and keep wool blankets in these guard shacks. During that time I spent a while thinking about how the M16A4 could be improved.
Early 2007ish when I was freezing my ass off in these guard posts (at least they had a roof, better than most USMC accommodations), I had what I thought would be a good product improved M16A4.
My first thought was the free float the barrel. Not so much that the barrel needed to be free floated for military use, but that there were much lighter and nicer tubular hand guards available. The Knight Armament M5 Quad Rail used on the M16A4 works great, but it is heavy and expensive. If I recall correctly, I had learned of the VTAC tubular handguard and thought that would be an excellent replacement for the KAC M5. It would make the gun lighter, free float the barrel, and you could still install rail sections if you needed them to attach accessories.
My next thought was that if the barrel was free floated, we wouldn’t need the silly government profile. The M16A2, M16A4, and the M4 have barrels that get heavier towards the muzzle, instead of any sort of common sense profile. Story goes that M16A1 barrels were failing the barrel straightness tests near the front sight base, so it was decided to strengthen the barrels there. Story then says that it turned out to be copper buildup at the gas port in the barrel causing the barrel straightness gauges to get caught. If we don’t need the government profile, we could use a lightweight barrel like on the M16A1. That would cut some weight off the rifle.
I wanted to keep it a 20 inch barreled rifle with fixed front sight and bayonet lug as back then I still believed all the chatter we were told in the Corps that the M4 was not suitable as an infantry weapon. Having that 20 inch lightweight profile barrel would give up more velocity, less wear and tear on the internals, the ability to mount a bayonet. Lastly, still having a fixed front sight base on a free floating barrel means that if you drop or damage your gun and tweak or bend that barrel. You are likely to still hit what you are aiming at if you are using your iron sights.
I wanted to maintain the ability to use a flip up rear sight, I thought the ACOG would be the best choice for a rifleman’s rifle. I still pretty much feel that way.
Last big change from the stock M16A4 I was thinking about back then was a collapsible stock. I did not like using that A2 stock with body armor.
It might have looked something like this.
In the decade plus since then, I’ve thought less about making “ideal” rifles, and focused more on purpose built guns. I’ve realized that the M4 is plenty good enough as an infantry rifle, but I still love free floating lightweight barrels. Now my idea of the closest thing you could get to an ideal AR15 would be something like a long freefloat tube with an accurate lightweight barrel. Something like the Larue PredatAR.
A 12-year-old Overland Park girl formed a gun with her fingers, pointed at four of her Westridge Middle School classmates one at a time, and then turned the pretend weapon toward herself.
More and more every day I thank God I went to school in the 1980s when the country was still sane.
Police hauled her out of school in handcuffs, arrested her and charged the child with a felony for threatening. Their proudest collar no doubt.
Shawnee Mission school officials said they could not
discuss the case, citing privacy laws, but did say it wasn’t the
district that arrested the child.
“We don’t do that,” said spokesman David Smith. “That is not our job.” He said the role of the district police is “not to enforce the law but to keep kids and adults safe.”
I feel safer already.
A school resource officer, employed, by the Overland
Park Police Department, would have handled the arrest, Smith said. The
department said it could not discuss the case.
But according to Johnson County District Court documents, on Sept. 18, the girl “unlawfully and feloniously communicated a threat to commit violence, with the intent to place another, in fear, or with the intent to cause the evacuation, lock down or disruption in regular, ongoing activities …” or created just the risk of causing such fear.
I shudder to think what we would have been charged with back in the day. Back when they let us bring toy water guns and such for recess.I was really gonna give this idiocy a good going over but I don’t have the heart for it. It’s too nice a day and I got better things to do than to read this communist bullshit. Link to full leftist raving anitgun news story below but I don’t recommend giving them traffic unless you just want to be enraged on a Saturday morning.