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B&T Tactical Sling

A little while back I was thinking about what sling I should use for my APC9k. I was looking at my pile of slings and while some would have worked fine, none really fit the bill. So I went online and started reading about what slings people were using for SMG and compact pistol calibre carbines.

A variety of slings were talked about, and in the discussion of the B&T guns people said they just used the B&T sling. I looked it up, many places sell it for about $100. Ain’t no way I’m paying that for a sling.

Saw someone say they used the sling that came with their gun. Huh, mine didn’t come with a sling.

Or so I thought, I went back into the packaging and sure enough, there was a sling.

I certainly wouldn’t order this sling for $100, but since I already paid for it(with the gun), I figured I’d use it. When I took a closer look, the sling included with the gun is not the same as their expensive one, but I’m not about to buy their expensive sling, so I’m using this.

It is a simple single point sling. You have a single loop that goes over your head and shoulder. There is a QD buckle for quickly removing the sling. It has extra material and a M buckle so you can adjust the length of the sling.

There is also a little slider so that you can adjust the size of the loop. You can put the sling around your torso, then slide this slider to your torso so that the strap going to the gun stays narrow.

The APC9k comes with a piece of parachute cord looped around the rear sling mount. You attach the HK style snap hook to this cord. This saves wear on the hook and the sling loop.

In my time in the Corps, I saw many a HK style hook used on a SAW sling fail. Twice, I saw where the metal hook wearing on the sling loop end up cutting though the sling loop.

That led me to not have much confidence in HK style sling hooks. But, the SAW is about 17 pounds. The HK style sling loop works just fine on these much smaller and lighter guns.

Is it the perfect sling, no. Are there better slings, yes. But this sling comes in the price of a B&T and it works, so I’m going to use it. The narrow strap does start to dig into your shoulder when you are wearing the gun for a long period of time. A single point sling does allow the gun to flop about a lot when you are moving with out a hand on the firearm. But that is less of an issue with these smaller guns.

You do have to keep paying attention to the muzzle, as it is easier to have the muzzle of these small firearms point at your self then on larger guns.

It works well enough, and I already got it. It’s going to stay on this gun.

Review: True North Concepts Modular Holster Adapter

Some pointless back story, feel free to skip.

Some time back I had a Springfield 1911 GI model. It was alright. I decided I was going to sell it and buy a nicer 1911. I knew I was going to get a nicer 1911, so I sold my Springfield knowing that I would replace it soon.

Took a couple of years before I actually got a replacement, a Colt M45A1. Around that time I decided I wanted to get a good holster setup for it for range use. I grew to like the idea of having a warbelt with a modular holster platform so I could swap holsters for what ever gun I was running. A holster for the Glock, a holster for a 1911, what ever other lesser guns I feel like using, etc.

Yea. Still haven’t done that yet. Still wanna do it. Also, never sell something unless you have its’ replacement in hand.

It is said that if Safariland doesn’t make a holster for it, you shouldn’t carry it. There is some truth to that.

Whoops, guess more exposition ahead, skip ahead more if you just the review.

That said, I am not a fan of Safariland. The few times I’ve tried to buy direct from them, they either didn’t have the item in stock, or told me they wouldn’t sell that to the public.

Are you Airforce or Military?

What the Safariland rep on the phone asked me. Awesome way to slight the Airforce. +1 to Safariland for that.

Why Safariland? Why won’t you sell me a damned holster?

Personally though, my favorite holster is from Tom Kelly at DarkStarGear. Check them out if you are looking for a holster.

But, I was surfing the web and I found a surplus Safariland M45A1 holster with drop leg attachment for a reasonable price, so I bought it. Somehow, I managed to not take any photos of it, so I found a picture online. It looked like this:

Picture from random ebay ad.

But the drop leg is slow to don and doff, and puts the pistol lower than I would prefer. This one had the Safariland quick detachment, so the butt of the pistol was about 4 inches away from my side. Might have been ok if I was a wild west gunslinger, but the handgun was banging against the walls of my home when I walked around.

Then I learned of the True North Concepts Modular Holster Adapter.

Actual review starts here:

I learned of the True North Concepts Modular Holster Adapter online. I saw this picture and decided that is what I wanted.

I saw this and I wanted it. The holster setup, not the guy’s ass. Just to be clear.

So I went ahead and ordered me one.

Price is $75, which I felt was really high for a piece of metal with some holes and slots in it. But after I bit, I thought about it and decided that a nicely machined piece of anodized metal that would fit a niche I wanted for years was worth it.

Packaging was nice. Sealed ziplock style bag, so even after you opened it you could reseal it.

Packaging is excellent. The parts needed for various configurations are placed in different colored bags, and clear instructions are on the packaging. This feels like the packaging of a premium product.

The Safariland dropleg holster put the gun lower than I wanted, and required using a leg strap which I didn’t want to use. This adaptor appears that it would allow for mounting the holster at a similar height if you really wanted to.

For the price, I had assumed it was machined alumnium. Nope, waterjet.

Now something being waterjet isn’t a bad thing, if done right. Waterjet cutting a part is a cheaper and faster manufacturing process. But. . . Waterjetting tends to leave tapered holes. You have to account for this. True North Concepts didn’t. The narrow end of the tapered holes wouldn’t get the bolts pass though. I had to open up the holes in order to mount the holster adapter and the belt/MOLLE loops.

Then to make it even better, the slots in the adaptor wouldn’t align with the quick detach holster mount. After much fiddling with it, I was able to find a single sweet spot where everything lined up well enough to attach it.

When it finally came together, I thought it was going to work oh so well.

But no, I found on the belt I was using, when I attempted to draw from the holster, the whole deal would just pivot up at the belt. The belt I have is fairly stiff, but I guess is still loose enough that the entire section of it can just twist when I attempt to draw the 1911.

I can’t blame the design for that, it is the belt’s fault, but that is still a disapointment.

So overall I am rather disappointed. I still haven’t accomplished what I set out to do, and the tapered holes and misalignment of the cheaply made part would lead me to not recommend this product.

Flux defense M17 Chassis

From friend of the website, Titus.

Some peeps have been asking about how i feel about the fluxdefense m17 chassis i have.

I love the thing tbh. Very small, versatile and capable (for a 9mm).

QD points for slings (id suggest if you sling a non m17 slide without a safety that you carry it “cruiser ready”) and a non reciprocating optic mount make this kit fantastic to a practical EDC /Truck gun.

The only thing that annoys me about this set up is that the brace will deploy from its locked position sometimes when shooting unsupported/free handed… It has never hindered my shooting but it does annoy the snot out of me.

All in all I would say @fluxdefense are the top of the market when it comes to micro conversion kits. I even like this more than my old cz scorpion evo.

I will hopefully be getting their gen 2 Raider model soon. It has many upgrades to this model such as a slide release, duel mag release and a mag well.

This set up is currently a flux chassis, burris fast fire 3 optic, some type of #olight, a full sixe2 p320 slide and a silencerco threaded barrel.

Ammo is scarce or I would have done a better video.


Ruger 10/22 Charger Lite Takedown (4935) First Impressions

I picked up a Ruger 10/22 Charger. I had kinda wanted one for a while, and after looking into the cost to rebarrel and put a new trigger in my 10/22 rifle I decided I’d just pick up a Charger.

I splurged and got the takedown model. I’m not sure if this was the right choice, but I like the idea of being able to easily, and toollessly change barrels. So, if some time later, I wanted a shorter barrel, or a 16 inch match barrel, I could switch between them.

Often, online, I’ve seen people lament the new plastic trigger group housings. But I don’t recall every seeing a story of one breaking. The trigger in this Charger is much, much better than the one in my 10/22 rifle. Not great by any means, but not absolutely awful like my old 10/22.

I took my Leupold 3-9x off my old 10/22 and threw it on this rifle. Much to my dismay, I had to max out the elevation adjustment in order to get this gun to be point of aim, point of impact at 25 yards.

I was shooting some old Remington “golden bullet” bulk pack. After the first couple of rounds were fired, when I got the gun zeroed at 25 yards. I fired three rounds touching. I was rather happy until my next group. The rest of the groups today were rather lack luster.

This model comes with the type of extended mag release I like, but the magwell of this charger is tight. The mags don’t easily drop out, and I struggled to insert the old 25 round Butlercreek mags I have. I gave up on trying to use them.

My previous experiences with UTG products have left me thinking very little of them. I tried to keep an open mind when I use the UTG bipod that came with the Charger, but even when I first took it out of the packaging the finish was shoddy and damaged.

But to be fair, it does what it is suppose to do, it works as a bipod. But I quickly decided I’d rather shoot the charger off a rest.

Anyways, I enjoyed shooting it, but I realized I’d like it better with a brace. I need to figure out why the elevation adjustment is maxed out. Shooting it silenced was nice, but the barrel is long enough to make the bulk pack ammo super sonic so this was noticeable louder than a suppressed short barrel .22 pistol.

I ended up just unloading the Butlercreek mags. They didn’t even want to seat correctly in the Charger’s tight magwell.

7 inch can with a 10 inch barrel still made for a larger gun.


I like it.
I want more mags.
I want a mag loader
It is silly that the 15 round mag is 3 times the size of the 10 round mag, but only slightly smaller than a 25 round mag. Would rather have three 10 round mags or a 25 round mag.
I’d like to have a shorter barrel for silencer use, maybe 4.5 inches or so.
I’d like to have a railed forend for use with a bipod and or laser for plinking.
A brace would really help with consistent head placement with the scope.

Review: Tango Down PR-16A4 Sling Mount

BLUF: Pricy, but it works. An excellent solution to a problem few people care about.

The Tango Down PR16-A4 is a QD sling mount that clamps to the A2 buttstock.

I’ve wanted one of these since the first time I saw one. Might have been over a decade now. It looks like these have been discontinued, so I bought one from a dealer that still had one in stock.

The packaging was very dusty. Must have been sitting on the warehouse shelf for a long time. I think I might have only seen 1 or 2 photos of this on someone’s rifle. I don’t recall if I have ever seen a picture of it in use.

It cost me about $70 shipped. That really feels over priced for what it is. It is two stamped metal sheets, four bolts, 4 riveted in nuts, and a quality QD socket (not pictured).

Installation should be simple, but it is awkward to hold it in place when you get the first couple of bolts in.

It sits near the receiver and gives you a QD socket on each side of the gun.

Having the bolts come up from the bottom makes it much harder to install than if it came in from the top. But that also makes them less likely to catch on anything.

The M16A2 and M16A4 come from a time before we commonly used all manor of modern adjustable quick detach slings. They comes with the standard rifle sling loops on the bottom of the stock and the gas block. Those original sling mounts work great for high power, gravel belly type shooting, they are terrible for modern dynamic combatives.

Usually the solution used for a rifle like the A2 or A4 is the 3-point sling. While they are excellent for carrying the rifle during administrative actions. The strap across the gun can interfere with rapid manipulation of the bolt catch. The design of 3-point slings tend to interfere or make it slow or hard to switch shooting shoulders.

Using a 2-point sling that has the first point attached near the rear of the receiver, and the second rapidly moveable from the handguard to the rear of the receiver (or the sling it self) makes for a sling that works great for administrative carry and can be switched to allow for maximum movement and mobility of the gun.

The Magpul MS4 QDM sling is a good example of such a sling.

I feel that this sling mount, combined with a QD socket forward on the handguard, and a sling like the Magpul MS4 QDM is the best sling option for a rifle like the A2 or A4 that will see constant carrying and rapid movement in fighting. I would have loved to have one of these back when I was in Iraq.

The big downside is that this thing is $70ish. And we are pretty much all moving away from rifles. When I took my Colt AR15A4 out to the range yesterday I saw in the log book that I hadn’t shot it in 14 months to the day.

Not a lot of people are choosing on their own to take the full sized rifle into the fight now. And those that are, are not likely to be trying to buy any little widget to make their live easier.

So this great little widget is not well known, over looked, and just never sold well enough for someone to decide to make a cheaper knockoff.

Oh well, some of these are still out there for the five of us who want one.