Pictured are single examples from two pairs of Bates footwear I have. A Leather Durashock Oxford on the left and a 5″ Tactical Sport Boot on the right.
As you can see both have had serious issues with their soles. The soles on both of the Oxfords have begun to disintegrate and crack, leaving chunks behind if walked in. On the other hand, while the Sport Boot sole is intact, it decided to completely separate itself from the rest of the boot. The sole on its left foot twin is still, barely, holding on, but has some serious gaping and is not likely to stay on much longer.
While it would be one thing if both pairs of footwear had miles and miles of wear on them, that is not the case. The Oxfords have been worn only sparingly, probably less than 25 times since I’ve owned them, and strictly to formal occasions. Now the Sport Boots have seen more outdoor use, but as you can see by the lack of treadwear on the now independent sole and the lack of wear on the boot leather, they’ve not seen that much use. Certainly not enough time to justify the sole falling completely off.
In short, I do not recommend Bates footwear.
We here at Loose Rounds have had good luck with Merrell, Danner, and Salomon brand footwear. I would go that direction for your boot/shoe needs.
-An addendum from Howard:
I’ve owned many Bates shoes and boots. Bates were what I was issued in the USMC and the soles would quickly wear out and stitching would come undone. Prior to going to Iraq I bought a pair of Bates Lites to use for Iraq, they came unstitched and were unusable after two weeks. Bates boots are the most comfortable boots I have ever used, but they don’t hold up at all.
This happen recently at a gun range that I use frequently. The range officer gave me permission to share the photos. This happened with a new shooter and his new, very expensive custom 1911. The shooter was using Parabellum Research (PBR) ammunition when he had a squib round and fired the next round into the squib. Luckily the frame and slide held up well and did not appear to be damaged. Only the barrel had been damaged. The manufacturer of the ammunition is taking care of the firearm owner. The range advised it has been having problems with this particular ammunition manufacturer.
It is important as a shooter to quickly identify when you have had a squib round, to avoid firing then next round into it and blowing your barrel and firearm up. If you have the money to buy a custom built very expensive firearm, (no matter what it is), don’t shoot low quality / cheap ammunition through it to save a few cents. You had the money to buy the firearm so don’t get cheap on the ammo. While this can happen with any ammunition, if you buy known quality factory or premium factor ammunition, this will lessen the chances of having a squib or catastrophic failure.
A SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL PROPOSAL
In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln,
President of the United States.
In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield,
President of the United States who later died from the wound.
In 1963 a radical left wing Democrat socialist shot and killed John F.
Kennedy, President of the United States.
In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.
In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and
killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
In 1986 Patrick Sherrill,a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10
people at a GMAC office.
In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX.
In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
In 1999 Larry Ashbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung-Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people at Virginia Tech.
In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown, CT.
As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat named Aaron Alexis shot 12 at the Washington Navy Shipyard in Washington, D.C.
Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.
Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.
IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR DEMOCRATS TO OWN GUNS.
I think it is possible that there are people in the world you can hate so much that it is impossible to find a word for the intensity of that hate. It is like the heat of a million exploding suns. No stranger to hating people myself, I can not think of anyone I hate more than my ex wife or osama bin laden ., except for this thing.Certainly, if you read this website, you are the kind of person already familiar with it. obama better watch out, he has a strong competitor easing up on his position.
If you have a twitter account, I would suggest twitting your thoughts to this twit.
This is my (very short) opinion on the Colt AR6720 Lightweight LE Carbine.
I constantly have people asking my opinion of what basic AR type rifle is best for them, to use for home defense and/or duty or patrol rifle use. ” Should I get a Colt or equivalent M4 type carbine?” Many who ask me these questions are my current coworkers, officers I have worked with in law enforcement and people I have trained or train with. One thing we can all agree on at Loose Rounds is Colt is the way to go when looking for a duty AR15 type carbine. Whether you want a plinker, a hard use training, home defense or duty carbine, the Colt AR15-A4 Lightweight LE Carbine is one of the best. As with all Colt rifles, you know you are getting the (“Mil-Spec”) features and HPT/MPI testing of the important individual parts in the 6720.
I have used several variants of the AR15 platform for duty use in semi auto and full auto versions. These range from; The standard Colt M4 14.5″ Carbine (LE6921/ RO977), LE 16″ Carbine (LE6920), 11.5″ Commando (LE6933/R0933) and Government Carbine (AR6520). When I look at an all around purpose carbine, that can fill multiple roles, I think of the Colt AR6720. The Colt AR6720 has been out since 2009 and was a request by a distributor (Clydes) for Colt to update the 6520 Government Carbine. It is basically a 6520 Gov. Carbine (LW Gov barrel) with an M4 marked flat top upper with M4 feed ramps.
The AR6720, in my opinion, is the best all around performer in the AR15 carbine patrol setting. You have the reliability, accuracy, and modularity you have come to expect from the AR15 platform. For me the AR6720 seams to handle just right. The handling and transitions in movement of the 6720 are awesome. The carbine seams to be a seamless extension of your arms and fingers. It is a joy to shoot. It is the most well balanced, fast and easy handling 16″ AR I have used. For me, handles like the familiar 11.5″ commando, just with a longer barrel. The stock weight comes in right at 6.12 lbs. With the (MIL-B-11595E CMV) Chrome Lined 1/7 twist barrel in 5.56mm, it will handle any ammo you want to put down range. If you choose the right accessories and enhancements, you will not add to much to the weight. I have owned numerous AR carbines and the 6720 is one of my favorites. It just might be my favorite.
The only complaint, some people may have, is the 6720 does not have an “F” marked FSB. This is a non-issue. The FSB comes with a taller front sight post, making up for the lower shelf on the FSB, for zeroing with any BUIS you choose.
I have chosen to set my 6720 up, in the following configuration, per my personal preferences. With a loaded 30 round magazine, I am still within the 6 lbs. range. This maximizes performance and handling of my patrol carbine needs out to 200 yards, although the Colt AR6720 is very capable of excellent performance well past 200.
GG&G MAD BUIS
Tango Down Battle Grip
Daniel Defense Omega 7 Rail
BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle (Mod4)
Aimpoint Micro w/ADM mount
Tactical Link Z-360 mount and Convertible Sling
Lancer L5 Translucent AWM magazine
At current prices, you can find the AR6720 in the 800 dollar range. I feel there is no argument or justification you can make, if your in the marked for a serious lightweight Defensive/Duty carbine, to buy another carbine at these prices. For a basic AR carbine, the Colt AR6720 is probably the best lightweight carbine purchase you can make. There are numerous articles on the accuracy of the 6720 and we have shown you how accurate a Colt carbine can be here on Loose Rounds. The 6720 is fast and smooth, and it will make the hits when it counts. If I was still patrolling on the street, the Colt AR6720 would be in my cruiser and it would be my go to patrol carbine.
Here is a good video with more info and shooting, by Mrgunsngear, on the AR6720: