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Rumor mill: New HK MP5 to come to market

For the long time the joke has been that H&K motto is, “You suck and we hate you.”

HK has long had a wide variety of products that people want to buy, but they won’t sell us. A large portion of the reason why is that they have to meet both the stupid US importation laws and the German laws. Still, many feel they should offer more products.

There is a current rumor that HK is going to sell a semi auto version of the MP5 (called SP5) by Christmas this year. The given “proof” of this rumor is that HK submitted to the German government several models of firearms that they want to sell. These pictures are available directly from the German police.

Let us look at this rumor point by point.

The claim is new MP5s with all the trimmings by Christmas. Tri-lugs and paddle mag catches included.

We know the following are facts:
HK would love to take your money.
HK has submitted guns to the German government to get permission to sell.

What we don’t know:
If HK got permission to sell us these guns.
If HK will import them or make them in the US.
If HK will import them in the configurations shown.

It would be very cool if this rumor was true. These guns would likely be priced around two to two and half thousand. Once supplies dry up the price on the market would likely jump to three to three and a half like what is happening currently with the HK SP5K.

I doubt this rumor is true. From what I have seen previously, if HK wanted to have these guns for sale by Christmas they would already need to be imported and working to clear customs now.

There is the chance that they are being made in the US plant. If so, I could see some of the purists claim that they are not as good as the “real” German HK guns, and the like. I would expect to hear owners of older HK94 and similar guns claim that their firearms are so much better than the shoddy American made MP5s, etc.

I think there is a fair chance HK will sell us some more MP5 variants, but I wouldn’t hold my breath that they will be here for Christmas.

Chicago Gun “Buy Back” Success Story

We all know the old “buyback” scam. Cities or states etc will offer to give you cash for any gun you bring in no questions asked. If it gets just one gun off the street and saves just one live. blah blah blah. The guns are then supposed to be destroyed ( that will teach them!) and never be able to menace anyone ever again.

With that in mind, lets take a look at that model of strict gun control laws and low crime. Chicago of course.

Chicago, Illinois- According to an AGG report, William Stewart Boyd traded his father’s old .38 caliber Smith & Wesson snub nose for less than $100 in a gun buyback in 2004. It was supposed to be destroyed, but somehow the same handgun with serial number J515268 was found next to a dead body involved in a police shooting eight years later.

Boyd, a judge in Cook County, had taken the handgun to a South Side church in Chicago, Illinois where he handed it over to a pair of plainclothes officers with badges on their belts.

“I’m doing the right thing,” he said in an interview with Chicago’s Sun Times, “and, in the process, someone didn’t do what they were supposed to do. That calls into question the process. What’s happening after you turn these weapons in?”

Great question – somehow, this Smith & Wesson .38 ended up in the hands of 22-year-old felon and gang member Cesar Munive – a man previously convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, unlawful use of a weapon, and battery. 

During an interaction with the police in July 2012, Munive was shot and killed by Cicero (Illinois) Officer Donald Garrity. 

Judge Boyd, rightfully, wants to know how the gun got into the hands of Munive. 

There’s some grey area in that story.  Officer Garrity has a long history of disciplinary problems and is currently collecting a disability pension for PTSD.  Garrity was disciplined for using a “high powered rifle” during a traffic stop, threatening another officer, and was stopped once for going 90 mph in a 30-mph zone.  LET Unity – It’s being called the “Netflix” of the Emergency Responder and Veteran Community

He was previously with the Berwyn Police Department and was hired by Cicero in 2012.

Munive’s family has accused Garrity of planting the handgun at the scene of the crime to justify his use of force. The family attorney said there were “plenty of warnings readily available to any reasonable police department that it was not safe to put a gun in the hands of such an unstable individual.”

The city of Cicero is ready to pay Munive’s family $3.5 million to settle a civil rights lawsuit out of court.

“No one would hire him except Cicero,” the attorney wrote in a court document.

Chicago Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi calls the revolver’s role in the shooting “extremely abnormal and troublesome.” In a formal statement to the press, Guglielmi said:

“We are opening an internal affairs investigation today to trace this gun, verify that it was taken into police custody during a turn-in and investigate how it possibly ended up back on the street.”

Failed Presidential Candidate Beto O’Rourke and a few others have tried to champion a gun “buyback” scenario that would be federally sponsored. 

You can read the rest of this fine example of Chicago police keeping the little people safe from evil guns.

The Fighting Load Carrier is the Ultimate Budget Rig

As part of my ongoing series of budget load outs for the prepared civilian… We move on to the next subject in the series. The Fighting Load Carrier. See part 1 here: A Budget Load Out: Starting From Scratch (Opens in new tab).

The FLC is a robust, modular MOLLE system designed to fulfill various roles. It can accommodate a variety of configurations and offers civilian shooters a low budget entry into load bearing gear. How low budget? The FLC can be found alone for as low as $12 and can be had with *all* issued pouches for around $40-$100 dollars. The downside? You will mostly find this unit in ACU… Which is no longer an issued camouflage in the military. It’s also ACU. Did I mention it’s ACU? Ok! Don’t worry. We will fix that later.

The FLC is comprised of a molle vest, belt, and H harness all rolled into one system. The front of the vest has a quality ykk zipper, a chest buckle, and lots of molle real estate. The back is where the adjustable H harness and belt are adjusted to fit the individual. A properly configured FLC will distribute the weight around your shoulders, chest, and back. I like to adjust the vest to give my frame a light squeeze to ensure the load is carried by my whole torso.

Once adjusted, the FLC can be outfitted with numerous attachments. For the purpose of this article we will use a mix of issued attachments and some non issued kit as well.

Rifleman Configuration:

The primary configuration I will be using is a modified rifleman’s kit. The issued set is comprised of dual 3 magazine shingles, 3 double m4 magazine pouches, two grenade pouches, and two canteens. Since I lack any active grenades, I omitted the nade pouches and instead used the last dual mag pouch as a mini IFAK. A high quality IFAK (such as the Range Medic) is worth it’s weight in gold, but it will significantly up your FLC budget so keep that in mind. Since I want to remain in budget I would recommend going with a Cat Gen 7, some shears, and a OLAES or Israeli bandage. First aid requires a topic all on its own, but these items will be useful for severe bleeding provided you are effective with them. Each of these can be stuffed in the extra M4 magazine pouch for a IFAK in a pinch.

“Steve1989”: Nice.

On the sides we have the standard USGI plastic canteen and pouch. Hydration is essential, and canteens run for around $9 dollars each new in wrap. Hydration bladders can be tricky to attach to the FLC and add additional cost so we will skip that topic for now… basic canteens are dirt cheap and wont pop, bonus! As configured, the total cost is around: $95 at the time of this writing… not counting the medical gear.

In Use:

A properly adjusted FLC is comfortable. The weight distribution for my setup is weighted more forward, but overall it remains perfectly serviceable. I did some run and gun for around an hour and appreciated the comfort. Weight wasn’t squarely on my hips or shoulders… It was spit between them. I configured my vest to wrap tightly around the midsection, just resting above the hips, and with the shoulder straps it felt super comfortable.

“This is my backyard son.”
Steal This Look: H&M Officers Jacket, USGI ACU bandoleer, FLC, Modern Fighting Rifle.

The wide, flat shoulder area gave me good control over my carbine. The rubber but plate of my carbine grabbed the nylon perfectly. Without armor underneath, it allowed excellent pocketing of the stock.

One of the advantages of the FLC is that it can go OVER your armor. Equipping the FLC over an armor carrier allows you to flexibly adjust to the environment. There are several modes of thought on armor carriers and how to set them up, so let’s leave that for another time. The FLCs main advantages are: can be removed without removing armor. Can be placed over various types of armor. Can be run without armor. Can be worn over other layers (such as a jacket or rain coat) to allow easy access to mags, water, and gear in adverse weather.

Dry and clean underneath. All my gear still accessible outside my poncho.
Steal This Look: Mil-Tec Poncho, IIIA and Carrier (underneath) from Bulletproofme.com, Israeli Gas Mask, FLC, and Rifle.

We don’t always think further than the military’s experience in the middle east. Not everyone lives in a desert. We don’t often equip our gear for rain, mud, snow, etc. Your gear has to be good to go year around. Having a separate load bearing vest or chest rig which can be placed *over* cold / wet protecting layers ensures you can adapt to the seasons and still keep your rifle easily fed.

The downsides?

Magazines. Magpul mags fit tightly. I cannot get the flaps to button over Pmags on the 3 mag shingles. This is a bummer if you are heavily invested in plastic magazines.

Then there is the ACU pattern. Cot Dammmit Big Army! Your surplus gear that I helped pay for needs to be cooler than this! If you haven’t noticed, the ACU doesn’t do too hot in green woods. Its okay if you live in a white and grey rock quarry, but most everywhere else it sucks. We need to fix this. Turn that ACU frown upside down!

RitDye to the Rescue:

The whites are slightly toned down with a RIT bath, and with a more concentrated dip you can further tone down the colors to your desired level.

After a rit dye bath, it takes a more brown tone. The whites are toned down and the ACU looks much more serviceable. It’s a neater look, and should be suitable in more environments. I first heard about soldiers RIT dying their ACUs overseas, but of course that was frowned upon by big brass. Using a hot water and RIT Sandstone bath resulted in a much more palatable… pallet. With the overbearing whites gone, it still isn’t perfect but should work better near everywhere. Apple green has been used to darken the camo for PNW woods as well. So get the right RIT dye for your area.

Wrapping Up:

Budget gear is often frowned upon… but having American made budget gear at least gets you something serviceable and durable. No one should frown on having a budget… not everyone prioritizes the downfall of the American experiment and the ensuing horny goat igloo. That’s ok. Your strength isn’t in you and your gear alone, but the collective spirit and will of the American people (also guns, 393 million guns). Also, if you survive long enough, there is bound to be some nicer gear around. A hand-me-down with a few bullet holes isn’t frowned upon is it? Nah. Didn’t think so.

This is Lothaen writing for LooseRounds. Come visit my blog at www.thenewrifleman.com

Hong Kong Boogaloo 11/17/2019 FULL BOOGALOO

I think we have nearly hit full Boogaloo last night in Hong Kong. The University students are basically at war with the government enforcers. Sunday night night HK local time has been their finest hour so far.

A police officer was hit by an arrow on Sunday outside the Hong Kong Polytechnic University (PolyU) as violent clashes broke out between pro-democracy protesters and law enforcement.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

Police deployed tear gas, projectiles, and fired blue dye from water cannon trucks.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

For the first time, the force also used a device mounted on an armoured truck to emit high-pitched noises – which police later identified as a “Long Range Acoustic Device” (LRAD).

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Viola Kam/United Social Press.

The Hung Hom campus of PolyU has seen pitched battles between protesters and police since Tuesday.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

The campus is close to the toll plaza of the Cross-Harbour Tunnel, enabling protesters to block the major crossing for days.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

On Sunday, police said a member of its media liaison team – typically dressed in a blue vest – was “struck in the calf by an arrow” at around 2pm.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

A police media liaison officer is shot in the leg with an arrow on November 17 at the Hong Kong Polytechnic University. Photo: Apple Daily.

The officer was taken to the hospital in a conscious state.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

Another officer’s visor was struck by a metal ball, though it did not result in injury, the force added.

“Police warn that the violent activities in the Hong Kong Polytechnic University have escalated to rioting. Anyone who stays behind or assists rioters may be liable to the offence of ‘Taking Part in a Riot’,” the police said in a statement.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Viola Kam/United Social Press.

Anyone convicted of rioting can be penalized by up to 10 years in jail.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

Police have condemned protesters for using “lethal weapons” against officers, including petrol bombs, bows, arrows, bricks and metal balls.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Studio Incendo.

The intersection of Chatham Road South and Cheong Wan Road has been the site of intense fighting, with police firing blue liquid from water cannon trucks and volleys of tear gas.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

Protesters also threw objects from an elevated position inside the campus and launched projectiles with a makeshift catapult.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

Sonic device ‘not weapon’

At around 2:30pm, police used a sonic device mounted on top of an armoured truck. Prior to that, officers warned protesters over a loudspeaker that lethal force may be used.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

The City Broadcasting Channel – a new outlet run by students from the City University of Hong Kong – reported that the sonic device was used for about three seconds and caused slight discomfort to its reporter.

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Viola Kam/United Social Press.

Apple Daily said that its reporter heard three seconds of a “loud, shrill noise” similar to a car alarm.

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

In a statement, police stressed that the Long Range Acoustic Device was a “broadcasting system but not a weapon.”

"November 17" Hong Kong Polytechnic University Hung Hom protester police water cannon

The Hong Kong Polytechnic University at Hung Hom on November 17. Photo: Benjamin Yuen/United Social Press.

“Using the LRAD is to convey important messages over a long-range in a noisy environment,” the force said. “Unlike what is said in individual media reports, the LRAD does not generate ultra-low frequency which will cause dizziness, nausea or loss of sense of direction.”

"November 17" police arrow leg Hong Kong Polytechnic University

Photo: Galileo Cheng.

Hong Kong protesters shot bows and arrows and hurled petrol bombs from a barricaded university campus on Sunday, as police charged and charged again, firing tear gas and blue liquid from water cannon after fiery clashes overnight.

Several protesters fired arrows from rooftops at the Hong Kong Polytechnic University amid some of the most dramatic scenes in over five months of unrest in the Chinese-ruled city.

The clashes spread into Sunday evening, with protesters greeting each water cannon charge with petrol bombs.

“Rioters continue to launch hard objects and petrol bombs with large catapults at police officers,” police said in a statement. “The shooting range of such large catapults can reach up to 40 meters … Police warn that the violent activities in the Hong Kong Polytechnic University have escalated to rioting.”

In the university courtyard, civil engineer Joris, 23, said he would be prepared to go to jail in his fight against the government. Those shooting arrows were protecting themselves, he said.

“The police violence has been over the top,” he told Reuters. “The protesters have been reacting to the police. We haven’t fought back as much as we could. I would be prepared for jail. We are fighting for Hong Kong.”

Reuters correspondents heard a high-pitched wailing coming from at least one police vehicle, suggesting a new weapon in their crowd dispersal arsenal.

Chinese soldiers in a base close to the university were seen monitoring developments with binoculars, some dressed in riot gear with canisters on their chests.

Who is the most copied, ripped-off US firearms manufacturer in the industry?

Interesting question came up on BARFCOM. What company is the most copied by other companies? I judge that by the amount of companies making copies of the most amount of product made by the copied company.

I think there is no doubt its Colt. With the copies of the M1911/1911A1, and all its variants. The AR15 in all its variants, the Single Action Army and its variants and all of the copies made of those over the years by almost endless companies, who else could it be? Even companies that are nearly peers copy Colt’s firearms. S&W and Ruger both now make 1911s and AR15s, All the Italian and Ruger SSAs and other revolvers.. The AR15 and M1911 alone insure this.

If you had to pick one gun designer, it would be hard for me to think of anyone more copied than JMB himself.

Have your own pick? let me know.