5.56 Timeline

Delta Force guns over the years Part 2

Back by demand.

Above is a well known picture of Delta force acting as body guards during the first gulf war. The carbines mostly seen at that time was the Colt 653.

Here we have some more carbines with the older Aimpoint red dot sights mounted to the carry handles.

A picture from Somalia. You can see the 653s, the Aimpoints and Surefires mounted to the barrels.

Above is well known firearms trainer “Shrek” with his G3. Interesting mount for the eotech on it. There are also pictures of him using a FAL set up similar while in Afghanistan in the early months.

This is one I meant to mention yesterday. Around this time the Knight’s MRE rail was used. No idea how popular it was but several pictures show it in use by a few different delta guys. This was the KAC rail that free floated the barrel , left the factory colt front sight in place , and extended out past it a few inches. Again we see the lower powered variable scope that delta pioneered and is now common, I *think* this is the S&B shortdot, a scope more or less made just for them on request.

Below are going to be pictures of the early front grip /flashlight system that was cobbled together and custom made back before factory solutions came out.

It looks like it consists of a cut down grip. a surefire light and mounting bracket for the rail with the surefire pressure pad and PEQ2 switch.

Here is a picture of a more evolved version.

Above is Kyle Lamb in Iraq with his custom M4 with the smooth FF tube. He has talked about this at length before but I can’t recall where to find it or exactly the details. You can see he still favors a longer FF smooth tubular HG on his carbines to this day.

Finally we have one of the famous Custom M1911s that used to be a signature weapon of Delta Force.

Some Delta Force Guns Over The Years

There is an instagram account called Historichronicles that is devoted to posting pictures of guys in Delta Force from over the years. I don’t care much about that so much as the very cool glimpse at the guns they used over the years. They really were the cutting edge over the years that spurred development in a lot of ways. For the military anyways, because they got most of their development ideas from the civilian competition world in a lot of cases. This still continues to this day. You can see some old ideas in some of those pictures. Ideas that seem crude now but evilved into things we see today like the low magnification variable optics on M4s and free float hand guards.

First up I thought I would show this picture. It’s the much over rated H&K 416 of course, but the point is the damage. Hit during a firefight, the round destroyed the laser and etotech. I call that a close call.

Above is a good example of what I was talking about. A smooth F tube meant to make a slicker set up, free float the barrel and give a longer hand guard. I have no idea what model this tube is other than I *think* its from KAC.

Above is Larry Vickers. Larry is the inventer of the finest AR sling know to man, The Vickers Combat Application Sling sold by Blue Force Gear. This is from the 80s and you can see Larry’s ow famous carbine set up with the hose clamped on flashlight on his pre M4 Colt carbine. A lot has already been written and said about this particular carbine all over the internet already. Larry even made a youtube video about it not too long ago.

Above is a Delta sniper assaulter with a KAC 7.62 precision AR with a lower powered variable optic.

Another delta sniper rifle from KAC.

I had more pictures but for some reason my old dilapidated laptop lost them. If you guys liked this let me know and I will gather up some more for a part 2

5.56MM Duplex

I got these pictures from the excellent Colt Ar15 Resource facebook group. Below you will see three original boxes the 5.56Mm duplex rounds. The ammo is loaded with two projectiles in each case. The idea being it increases your chances of a hit. When fired on full auto the idea was to double the amount of lead in the air. The ammo was intended to be use in one of the project rifles. Obviously it didn’t go anywhere.

The “Backpack Nuke “

This is one of those times when are are all really going to miss Hognose more than usual. I ran across this picture the other day and I recalled Kevin talked about it a few times. This is the back pack carrying system for the “suitcase nuke” that US Special Forces Green Berets like Kevin would have used during the cold war. You can see it is strapped and buckled to an ALICE pack frame.

Though massive retaliation was economical, it allowed the United States almost no flexibility in how it responded to enemy aggression. In the event that communist forces launched a limited, non-nuclear attack, the president would have to choose between defeat at the hands of a superior conventional force or a staggeringly disproportionate (and potentially suicidal) strategic nuclear exchange that would kill hundreds of millions of people.

To fill in the gap in military options between a full nuclear assault and engaging in a lopsided war, says Foreign Policy, U.S. special forces started packing miniature nuclear bombs, devices known as the B-54 Special Atomic Demoliniton Munition (SADM), which they could carry in a backpack. The plan was to build something a little smaller than the devastating bombs that had been designed after the end of the Second World War.

“Soldiers from elite Army engineer and Special Forces units, as well as Navy SEALs and select Marines, trained to use the bombs, known as “backpack nukes,” on battlefronts from Eastern Europe to Korea to Iran,” they write. The troops were trained to parachute or SCUBA dive behind enemy lines with their little nukes, to using them to take out strategic installations or render vast tracts of land uninhabitable. According to Rawnsley and Brown, “These “small” weapons, many of them more powerful than the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima, would have obliterated any battlefield and irradiated much of the surrounding area.”

Above is a detonation of the munition from a 1958 test.

According to a former soldier whose job it was to place one of these babies-

“We all knew it was a one-way mission, a suicide mission.”

“You set your timer, and it would click when it went off, or it went ding or I forget what, but you knew you were toast,” he said. “Ding! Your toast is ready, and it’s you.”

“In theory, you could set the timer to give you enough time to flee properly, but somebody would have to stay behind and secure the site, Bentley said.”

“The Army is not going to set a bomb like that and run away and leave it, because they don’t know if someone else would get ahold of it,” he said. “They have to leave troops there to make sure it’s not stolen or compromised, and that would just be collateral damage. You didn’t go out with the thought that it was anything other than a one-way mission. If you’re Bruce Willis, you get away, but I ain’t Bruce Willis.”

AMD-65 In The Vietnam War

In 1971 the RVN with support from US troops launched a limited invasion, spoiling attack in to Laos. The purpose was to disrupt the ability of the PAVN forcing to operate the Ho CHi Minh tail and stage their spring offensives into South Vietnam , much like the previous invasion into Cambodia.

While in Laos this AK variant was recovered. Whats the big deal? Well. These were very rarely seen in RVN during the war. The AMD is a Hungarian made version of the AK. Designed for armored troops and paratroopers with its folding stock and shorter barrel.

Of course this wasn’t the only one to turn up in South East Asia.

Above, Pat MacGrath of IUWG Unit-3 holds an ADM.

Below is a picture of Donald Ramsey of Recon Team Delaware, MACV/SOG firing an ADM at the range.

How they got there? No doubt communist forces received them via their normal communist supply routes. SOG no doubt had them as part of their giant inventory of foreign untraceable weapons for use on cross border missions. The restrictions on US weapons was relaxed after a few years, but some teams still preferred to carry the same weapons of the enemy for a variety of reasons. To disguise their profile long enough to get an upper hand, to be able to use the enemies ammunition, to disguise sound signature, to leave combloc empty cases on the ground to make it harder to track them after a chance encounter firefight etc.