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Army Picks SIG SAUER for 300 WINMAG Ammo Contract

What the hell is up with the Army and their new infatuation with all things SIG? What General is about to retire to a comfy post army job at Sig or what senator is getting a new manufacturing facility in their state?

The Department of Defense announced:

SIG Sauer Inc., Newington, New Hampshire, was awarded a $10,000,000 firm-fixed-price contract for procurement of .300 Winchester Magnum Ammunition.  Bids were solicited via the internet with five received.  Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of Sept. 30, 2024.  U.S. Army Contracting Command, Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, is the contracting activity (W52P1J-20-D-0003).

It seems they want a one stop shop for everything from scopes to ammo and everything in between. Has SIG started making uniforms yet?

What ever happened to the DuoStock?

If I do a quick image search for “Army M4” I get results that look like this:

With the exception of the Marine in the last photo, all the other shooters only have the toe of the stock in the shoulder. One of the awesome aspects of the AR15 and the 5.56×45 round is the low recoil and great control-ability. It allows you to get away with these less than optimum shooting positions.

Around 2007ish, someone came up with an answer for the question no one asked. They came up with a stock that would work well with this style of shooting. Here came the Duostock.

Duostock made the worst mistake that an accessory can make. That is, it was (and still is) considered to look stupid.

Some people called it the lima bean stock. I don’t really see the resemblance, but I do find that funny.

Yet there are people out there using this stock and liking it. I’ve read comments from a handful of people who actually use it, and like it.

I’ve never fired a rifle with a Duostock installed, but I have handled one. It does what it is suppose to do, but I’d just assume run a standard stock.

A couple of years ago a picture showed up of a SEAL using a Duostock. Some wondered if that would be enough of an impetuous to drive up popularity for it. Didn’t seem to garner any real attention.

It does seem like it is a decent product that does what it is suppose to do. But it is ugly and people don’t like how it looks.

The companies website doesn’t seem to exist any more. But many distributors seem to still have them in stock. I’m surprised we never saw a gen 2 Duostock that would be a little more subdued design with a rubber buttpad.

I’d guess that the lesson of the story is that if you are going to sell a “tactical” product, make sure it looks cool.

Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office Vs. Adam Arms Part 2

Remember a few weeks go when I talked about the Pinellas County cops unwisely buying Adam Arms junk AR15s? Well, Update to that.


PINELLAS COUNTY, Fla. — The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office is suing a local gun manufacturer, claiming hundreds of AR-15 rifles purchased for deputies aren’t reliable enough to do the job.

The sheriff initially asked for a refund, but that didn’t happen, so now he’s taking this firearm feud to court.

“I don’t relish having to go through the lawsuit process, but if we have to, we will,” Gualtieri said last month.

The sheriff promised he would sue Odessa-based Adams Arms if the gun manufacturer didn’t give them a refund for more than 300 AR-15s, which the department had purchased since 2014.

This week the sheriff made good on that threat.

“I’m not going to have deputy sheriffs out there. They’re supposed to have guns to protect themselves…(but some of the guns) don’t shoot and are incapable of being fixed in the field,” the sheriff said.

The county tax payers should sue the Sheriff themselves. For wasting their money on junk and not doing proper research on what companies make quality guns. There is some blame to go on them.

Gualtieri says he originally liked the idea of purchasing the Adams Arms AR-15‘s because the company is local, it uses a piston rather than gas technology for a firing mechanism and the price was right. Gualtieri, let that be a lesson for you. Don’t think. You obviously don’t know shit about guns Top. Man.

But, the sheriff says problems started to surface almost immediately: Trigger troubles; weapons switching from semi-automatic to fully automatic on their own. 

And most recently, he said an incident on the gun range saw a weapon failing to fire at all.

“The thing was in essence, useless. It was like a stick or a club,” Gualtieri said. “There’s nothing you could do. It wasn’t gonna fire a bullet and that’s a problem.”

Adams Arms CEO Jason East tells 10News the incidents cited by the sheriff’s office were isolated and not necessarily their fault. Haw! of course not.

East says some of the trigger issues were traced back to deputies who had purchased after-market ammunition clips made for another manufacturer’s AR-15s.

….what? This guy makes guns. Weapons. That they sell to people as if they know what they are talking about. Adam Arms ladies and Gents. Gun’s so good you can’t use other brand AR15 mags in.

As for the weapon that didn’t fire, East says the part that caused that problem wasn’t manufactured by them. BUT YOU USED IT ON YOUR PRODUCT!

Still, he says, they took the weapon apart, made an adjustment by essentially tightening a screw and then the weapon worked correctly. Again. What?

“Requesting a refund on rifles that have served the department dutifully is not something we would entertain at this time,” East said when asked about the sheriff’s demands.

The sheriff’s office has since replaced the 300 AR-15’s by using one of the department’s other suppliers. Although the lawsuit only specifies an amount greater than $15,000, Gualtieri has already said the rifles are worth about $300,000.

The sheriff is demanding attorney’s fees plus the cost of ammunition and re-fitting the new weapons. He says taxpayers wouldn’t have been left with expenses had the Adams Arms weapons worked to their satisfaction.

According to the lawsuit, Adams Arms said it says it’s working on a rigorous process to inspect, test and verify all of the firearms they provided the sheriff’s office over the last few years. Yea. I bet..

East didn’t comment further about the allegations but said the company is disappointed by the sheriff’s decision to file suit. Unreal.

Dummies buying junk from dummies whow make junk.

Army Looks For Miracle Optic

Yesterday this bit of news made the rounds. When I read it the first thing I thought about was some comments from Kirk a few weeks ago. Kirk talked about advanced targeting systems in the article about the Army’s new marksmanship program so this seemed like good timing.

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Army infantry officials at Fort Benning, Georgia, are testing a handful of advanced fire control optics in an effort to one day help non-combat arms soldiers shoot more accurately against close-quarter and long-range enemy targets.”

The effort is part of the Army Expeditionary Warfighting Experiments (AEWE) 2020 and will involve soldiers live-firing M4A1 carbines with fire control systems from three companies to see whether they can improve a shooter’s probability of hitting targets faster than current Army-issue optics.

When I read this, I can’t help but think that it means the Army thinks think this is a way to skip marksmanship training for the rear echelon.

Currently, the service uses the M68 Close Combat Optic (CCO) and the M150 rifle Combat Optic (RCO). The CCO is an unmagnified, red dot sight designed for ranges out to 300 meters. The RCO has a 4X magnification for engagements out to 600 meters.

One of the Army’s modernization priorities is to develop a Next Generation Squad Weapon that will replace the M4A1 and M249 squad automatic weapon in infantry and other close-combat units. Both weapons will be equipped with a fire control system that will calculate range to target and compensate with environmental conditions, such as wind, that can affect accuracy, service officials say.”

The Army also announced in August that it’s evaluating optics from seven vendors competing for the Direct View Optic (DVO) effort, a variable-power optic that will feature magnification settings from 1X to 6X compared to the 4X on the RCO.

Army officials at the Maneuver Battle Lab hope that commercial fire control systems being evaluated during the AEWE will help guide a future requirement for an advanced system to go to soldiers outside of combat-arms units.

“Everybody has got a weapon and everybody is required to hit targets, and anything we can do to make those populations better … maybe we don’t give them the latest and greatest, but we do want to give them capability,” said Lt. Col. Chris Kennedy, chief of the Lethality Branch within Soldier Requirements Division at Maneuver Capabilities Development and Integration Directorate at Benning.”

“Sometimes, those who shoot less actually might benefit the most from some of these devices,” he added. Aaaaaand there we have it.

Read the rest of how the Army is using your tax dollars in it’s infinite wisdom below.


Is your hard weapon case good?

I just recently picked up a Zenith MKE MP5 clone. It came in this little thin case that is kinda flimsy, but over all pretty nice. The Zenith website had them listed last week for sale for about $12 each. They are no longer listed, I would have picked up a couple of cases for other guns. It was nice and light weight and would have been good for the trip to the range.

Some guys like Mark Fingar make up some really awesome custom cut foam inserts on their hard cases for their even more awesome equipment.

But let us back up a moment.

We use gun cases for any number of things, but usually it comes down to storage, protection, and transportation.

Something as simple as a towel wrapped around a gun can make it more discrete and protect it from dings and scratches.

Some people will use something like a gun sock to protect guns from banging into each other while they are in the safe. But that isn’t exactly something you can throw in the back of your truck for the drive down the washboard roads to the range.

There are some cases purpose made for a specific firearm, such as this Barrett case above.

Now to get to the point. All these cases have pros and cons.

I saw a post of a forum where someone was storing their Barrett .50 BMG in the case here in Florida. Well it got all rusty. These cases can trap humidity, and it is always humid in this greatest state. Open cell foam can catch and trap water and humidity. If you are going to be using a case for long term storage, try and get closed cell foam or a custom hard molded plastic. Add some sort of desiccant to try and prevent rust.

That small and light Zenith case I first posted is great for quick travel to the range. But it would offer no where near the protection of something like a Model 472-PWC-MP5 Pelican case:

But consider this. That case above is $340 dollars. It also weights 20 pounds. While it may be the ultimate in travel protection for your firearm, it is going to take up a good bit of space, and be heavy and clunky when fully packed.

John Farnam recently posted up a quip talking about his traveling with a hard case. The TSA checked if the case (while locked) could be pried open enough to pull something out while locked. The case he was using failed this test so he ended up changing brands. Farnam doesn’t mention which brand failed, and which worked. I wish he would have, as that which one to buy if we travel.

I know that the Plano cases I have have locks built into them. But, you can easily pry open the latches while they are locked. Someone made a video about this:

So, if you use a case, it is really secure?
Is it really a good choice for storage?

What do you use?