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The Kenosha Shooting Was Clearly Self Defense

Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth held another press conference Wednesday morning to discuss the deadly shootings, and other crimes committed across the city during a third night of violence.


The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported that police expect to make an arrest in a case stemming from the shootings “soon”, and that the FBI has been “assisting” local investigators, implying that the shooter will likely be taken into custody.

No one has been apprehended, but Beth said he believed at least one person would be taken into custody soon based on video footage police have reviewed.

“I feel very confident we’ll have him in a very short time,” Beth said.

Beth attributed the progress to the “resources” provided by the FBI.

The investigation of the latest shooting is being conducted by the Kenosha Police Department with the assistance of the FBI, Beth said.

“We’ve got a lot of resources that are helping us pull this stuff together,” Beth said of the shooting investigation.

Roughly 250 law enforcement officers and 250 National Guard members were on hand Tuesday night to try and quell the unrest, and property damage was much less intense during the third night of unrest – however, clashes between militia groups and hard-core progressive groups that resembled street violence appeared to play out in the streets of Kenosha.

The shooter

Two of the three men who were shot in one photo

The shooting took place right in the heart of the city, according to  MJS.

The incident happened on Sheridan Road in the heart of Kenosha near the Froedert South hospital building. Many people were still on the streets in protest just before the shooting, walking up and down Sheridan Road, where protesters had been driven after being expelled from Civic Center Park.

Here are some more interesting tidbits from the report.

A Journal Sentinel reporter earlier in the evening observed a group of armed men with long guns standing guard at a dry cleaning business on Sheridan Road near 59th Street, some on the roof.

Police told them to get off the roof and a person shouted back: “Officer, this is our business.” Police did not ultimately order them off the roof. Police did not ultimately make them get off the roof.

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It is unclear if the men seen by the reporter were members of the Kenosha Guard, or whether Beth, in his comments, was referring to that group, or similar groups of people.

Before the shooting, someone from Kenosha suggested to Beth that he deputize ordinary citizens to help contain the unrest. Beth said he refused.

“I said, ‘There’s no way I’m doing that,'” Beth said.

Meanwhile, GOP Senator Ron Johnson, who represents Wisconsin in the Senate alongside Democrat Tammy Baldwin (who hasn’t said much of anything), urged Democratic Gov Tony Evers to accept President Trump’s offer for federal reinforcements.

20 thoughts on “The Kenosha Shooting Was Clearly Self Defense”

  1. Couple of things make me wonder what the hell was going on with this incident: One, was this young man the shooter who supposedly shot someone else earlier on, leading to the mob going after him? If he was, that puts a different color on this situation, unless the earlier shooting was also justified.

    Other issues I have to wonder about would be how well he did with his weapon. I’ve had guys who were on their second enlistments in the combat arms who would have flubbed the ever-loving crap out of that scenario, and this young man did an excellent job of defending himself, whatever the merits of the rest of the case might be. That’s a bit… Odd.

    Other thing is, if you’re going to go to see the elephant, make sure you’re doing it in company that’s going to stick with you. From what I’m reading about this, he got separated from the group he was with, which sort of denotes a certain lack of tactical acumen on someone’s part. Also, don’t go off to these things thinking that small arms proficiency is your biggest problem. The actual issue you need to worry about is organization and cohesion.

    Might not be a bad idea to do a piece on that bit–Five paragraph operations order, and all the rest of the Ranger Handbook sort of thing, as adapted to the environment that order-keepers are going to encounter. I have a fear that we’re all going to need to bone up on that crap, the more of this that goes on.

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    • Kirk, I’m having trouble following all of the shaky Twitter videos, but I think in the earlier shooting a lady threw a Molotov at him and somebody else tried to take his rifle. Prima facie, that sounds like a good shoot to me.

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      • Like I said… “…also justified.” I can’t tell what the hell is going on in the earlier videos, or if he even fired. I’m sure the truth will eventually out, but… Damn.

        This whole thing is a fucking mess, and there’s no telling where it ends. I think a Rubicon was crossed last night, but it is still too hard to quite make out what the hell is going to go on. One can hope that Trump and the Feds can tamp this crap down, but I’m not hopeful when it comes to a lot of the FBI leadership.

        You would think that these assclowns of the BLM/Democratic Party would be vulnerable to a RICO proceeding, along with Antifa/Black Bloc, but I don’t know that the Feds are either on-board with that, or even competent enough to be inside the things they need to be. I keep hoping to hear that the counterterrorism financial investigation people have been on top of Soros et al, but… I’m not seeing a lot of action.

        To be honest, I have to blame some of this on Trump and the Feds. This should have been quashed right away, but I have the feeling that they let it happen to a degree. Trump, because it will likely drive voters his way in November, and the Feds because they want to try to blame it on him. Trump may well be going along with this crap just because it’s a ju-jitsu move on the Democrats and the entrenched establishment in DC, but… Jesus, guys: The cities are going to be decades coming back from this, if they ever do. And, though I sorta blame Trump, there’s also the idiots who elected the Democrats, and the Democrat politicians themselves. Idiocy abounds all over the fucking political map…

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        • If Trump had sent federal anything into these places to knock heads, we probably already would have had a military coup by now. These BLM/Antifa people are playing a very, very canny game.
          “Oh, it’s just property!”
          “LOL, bro, it’s just a milkshake!”
          “What, you can’t take a few firecrackers?”

          I’m sure the 82nd Airborne could put a stop to what’s going on in Kenosha and Portland and do it right quick, but the media that came out of it would be terrible, and that’s what matters in 4GW. And frankly, I’m not sure that Mark Milley would follow a direct order to restore order in an American city.

          The feds could certainly go after the funding under RICO laws, etc. But they apparently haven’t. I’m not sure if that’s because Trump wants to let it burn or if it’s because he can’t get his federal law enforcement agencies to do anything other than execute coups against him. Either theory fits the evidence that’s available to me here on my couch.

          We are well and truly on our own.

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        • I find it difficult to blame Trump for inaction once we saw the level of insubordination from military leadership and the foot-dragging and deliberate incompetence of the FBI/Treasury/ATF/et al. What was Trump going to do that wasn’t going to be sabotaged and implemented to fail?

          Ultimately, the first and most legitimate law enforcement response to these events rests with state and local authorities. We see that the elected leadership has been playing patty-cake with the rioters (eg, Mayor Jenny and her episodes in Seattle – “Summer of Love?” really?) and Ted Wheeler in Portland. We’ve seen the feckless incompetence and subterfuge of state governors (WA, OR, MN) surrounding these events. Our system of law and governance is set up with 50 political sovereigns – not one sovereign with 50 fiefdoms.

          Today, it is quite apparent that a tipping point in public perception has been reached, as one can NB the sudden turn of opinion in the press that these riots are now shown in the polling to be helping Trump in statistically significant amounts. Suddenly, their tune has changed – in two days – 48 hours, I’ve seen a marked change in coverage and expression of non-support for the “protests” from the press and state/local political leaders.

          One thing you have to remember about liberals who vote for these sorts of feckless idiots: They’re emotional people. They make decisions based on emotions – their ‘feelz’ – and they ‘feelz’ good voting for liberals who make them ‘feelz’ good. Never mind that objective evidence shows that their agendas and plans are usually expensive failures. They sound good to the uninformed ear, and that’s what counts.

          There’s really only one long-term solution to this: To give people what they claim they want. The voters of OR, WA, MN claimed they wanted Democrats and ‘progressives’ to run their states and cities. Well, let them have the reality for which they voted. To quote somedude: “Elections have consequences.”

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          • Speaking as one of those WA voters… It’s not us, it’s fucking King/Pierce/Snohomish counties. Those three counties make up the metro area of the Puget Sound, and they are the ones who make the political decisions in this state. The rest of us get dragged along no matter how we vote.

            No matter how you slice it, the metro areas of this country are why we have the problems we do. Without them, California would be Republican-majority still, along with upstate New York. The root of the problem is the urban Democrats, and until those regions are separated from the states…? We’re screwed.

            It’s like Cook County in Illinois; downstate can be as sensible as it likes, and Chicagoland is just going to drag it down. We badly need to break all these areas off, make them their own states, and allow nature to take its course. End of the day, we’d have a better balance, nation-wide. Here in Washington, we had a decent shot at a Republican governor in Dino Rossi, but King County kept finding more and more ballots for Christine Gregoire.

            The other problem, of course, is that the Republicans in the state are pussies, and will not fight. They roll over, time and time again–They let the rapes happen. The establishment Republicans in this state are why I left the party, to be frank. I’m sure as hell not a Democrat, but I’m also not one of these sorry-ass losers.

            Give you an idea of how bad they are–Locally, my state rep is supposedly a Republican. Called up to ask why the fuck no arrests have been made yet, on all those weapons transfers we saw in CHAZ/CHOP. Which, as far as I’ve been able to ascertain as a citizen, aren’t even being investigated despite the fact that there’s copious video evidence available. My rep’s response? “Oh, we can’t do anything… The Legislature isn’t in session, COVID-19, my pussy hurts, the Democrats won’t let us…”.

            Can’t even get the mother-humping lazy bastards to do a press conference and ask questions. And, the same set of POS politicians are the ones who rolled over on the last fraudulent weapons restriction “initiative” that was passed with clear fraud…

            Frankly, I’m done with the bastards. What I want to see happen is a break-up of the Republican and Democratic Parties, with those sorry-ass establishment types who are RINOs going to join their counterparts in the Democratic Party, and the sane center taking over under someone else’s management. It’s like the NRA–The entrenched bastards running the show need to be replaced completely with people who will actually do their goddamn jobs and represent me, as opposed to the US Chamber of Commerce and the fucking Chinese Communists.

          • Kirk, I understand the issue with urban areas. In my reading of history, it’s a consistent theme throughout history – first noted (as far as I know) by Ibn Khaldun in his Muqaddimah. The contents of this work and the insight into human nature behind it are why I keep referring to it so frequently. People think that I’m just spouting references to dusty old tomes as some sort of nerd point-marking.

            No. Ibn Khaldun noted the tendency of urban populations for their dependency and instability – about 600 years ago, and before the North American continent was on the European radar. That he was able to identify so many social trends and historical repeating patterns was quite remarkable in his day – when there were damn few libraries, never mind an Internet on which we could search for volumes in libraries.

            What we see from the Muqaddimah is that the US has become destabilized due to two things: first, the arrival of foreign cultures not assimilated into our lands and given a voice. Second, the rise of the urban populations as having far too much influence on our politics and economics. This latter issue was one of the big reasons behind the Founders’ creation of the Electoral College, and they were prescient to do so.

            re: the GOP: The GOP is undergoing a huge internal revolution. At the top of the ticket is Trump – a spoiler, a street-brawler. The classic GOP derides him as being rude, crude, offensive, etc. But Trump knows most of the time what he is doing – he connects with the productive citizenry as few politicians in my lifetime have. His first instinct in any policy decision appears to be “how does this affect Joe Lunchbucket?” Hence his stand on immigration, borders, law enforcement, COVID shutdowns, etc.

            The rest of the GOP still want to play policy wonk nerds and try to impress us with their ability to spout numbers and stats. I have a mathematical background much deeper than any of these clowns, and their malfeasance with both numbers and social trends now exasperates me, so I’m right there with you. I have to deal with Liz Cheney as my rep in Congress, and I wish I didn’t.

    • I’m Irish and live in Dublin. I feel sorry to see the United States Go like this. This is a power keg ready to explode. The rest of the world can’t believe what they are seeing. I blame it all on BLM

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      • I, for one, would love to hear more of your perspective on this. When I was growing up, I could not believe how much crap the Irish had to endure in what seemed like a medium intensity revolution…

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  2. Once again, we see that the police and FBI are willing accomplices to marxist thugs and terrorists.

    The police continue to double and triple down on alienating taxpaying citizens.

    The proper response by the sheriff should be:

    “We had a report of two shootings last night. Normally, we would give these events our full attention and investigation, but seeing as how the victims were members of the BLM/Antifa rioters, and they want police defunded and abolished, we’re going to give these protestors what they want: no police attention whatsoever.”

    With such a statement, the riots would come to a stop very quickly. Such a statement would tell the BLM/Antifa crowd “OK, you wanted this, and you got this. Enjoy this.” The result could be one of two developments:

    1. The BLM/Antifa twerps realize that they can no longer play “You can’t touch me, I’ll call the police on you!” with the productive and peaceful segment of society. A simple refusal by law enforcement to play their assigned role in this marxist street theatre would mean that the part of society that isn’t having any of this nonsense has a free hand to give the marxists the beat-downs they so richly deserve, and BLM/Antifa will realize that their mouthy little twerps are no match for those who will come forth from productive society.

    2. The street theatre organizers and mouthpieces suddenly STFU on their “defund/abolish the police rhetoric” and commence back-peddling, quickly.

    The second option is very remote. I’d wager 10:1 that it would not happen. Marxists are nothing if not committed in their efforts to display how stupid they are.

    This is my message to law enforcement: By answering BLM/Antifa’s calls for police when they get assaulted or killed, you’re aiding and abetting their marxist agenda. The BLM/Antifa twerps claim they want police abolished or defunded? Then give them what they want.

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    • Revealed preferences can kinda haunt you, huh? In the same way that “people of color” pour across our border in apparently total disregard of the fact that “America is an irredeemably racist country”, when your first instinct at your “all cops are bastards” riot is to call the cops when someone drops the hammer on you, it kinda puts the whole thing to lie, doesn’t it?

      The Daily Mail is reporting that the kid has been arrested already. How many stacks of bodies has BLM and Antifa left lying around that nobody is bothering to investigate?

      This whole thing has been very revealing.

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  3. You did good kid, you are a hero! If I sat on that jury my verdict would be NOT GUILTY! The 3rd picture down was great! Feel the pain!

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  4. It’s interesting that the one with his arm shot half-way off is wearing a hat with “paramedic” written on it. I expect we’ll be seeing a lot more of this camo in the future, so be suspicious and act accordingly.

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    • The one with “Paramedic” written on his his ballcap probably isn’t a real medic.

      Paramedics have licenses, just as RN’s, MD’s and other do – and that license can be pulled for criminal activity. Becoming a paramedic now takes two years in a college program, so it’s not a trivial investment of time to become a medic.

      That said, a real paramedic would also probably already be familiar with the trauma caused by GSW’s, and so they might be a little more reluctant than some to take on a .223 at bad-breath distances.

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      • I strongly suspect that he has at least some medical training. Antifa and fellow-traveler groups have been finding people with medical knowledge, getting them to the riots, and making sure they are equipped to deal with bumps, scrapes, burns, tear gas, and other predictable medical problems that come from scrapping with cops and lighting America on fire.

        Is he a licensed paramedic? I dunno, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Some percentage of paramedics have to be commies, and some percentage of those are going to get recruited into rioting. If they do, they’re going to be quickly identified, equipped and marked like this guy was.

        The guys running these riots are very organized. What you are watching on YouTube is only slightly less well-planned than the invasion of Normandy.

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