Where are they now? -Updated


I’ve been seeing various commentary about how the rights for the AA-12 are going up for sale and it got me thinking about some of the other fad weapons.


How many sane people thought that the AA12 would ever be considered practical for anything?  Awesomely fun, certainly, but not useful.

I remember seeing people online say how the Barrett M468 would replace the M4.


Most of us figured that was unlikely because the logistical issues of changing calibers for the military.  I never liked the M468 because the ARMS SIRS railed hand guard on it is large, heavy, and obsolete before the M468 came out.  Now it looks like the M468 is discontinued and dead.  It successor the Barrett REC7 switched to a piston design, and is still around but not that common.

What about the Masada?


I remember when the Masada was announced, and I will admit that I bought into the hype.  It was something interesting and new.  It was amazing to see how much of that interest and popularity faded when Bushmaster got the rights to it.  That certainly says something about what people think about Bushmaster.

The Masada, now called ACR, is still around and purchasable, but you don’t see much fan fare for it.

I’d talk about the XCR rifle but I don’t really know much about it.  The few people I have talked to that owned one loved theirs, but I’d be weary because of how quickly Robinson Arms dropped support for their previous firearm, the M96.  Looking online, it looks like the XCR is still around, but who is buying them?

In the race to replace the M4, two of the big winners have been the HK416 and the FN SCAR.  Both of those appear to have gotten a good fan following and commercial success.

What other modern guns do you know of that didn’t quite make it?


Some of the commentators tell us that the XCR is going strong in Canada.  All anti-gun laws stem from thought processes far from logical, and the Canadian laws are no different.  Glad to hear that our northern neighbors have options.

KyleNo4mk2 brings up the FN2000.  As far as I know it is still being made.  Now too its credit, it did get a more than a couple military contracts.  Bullpups are sort of a unpopular nitch in the U.S., but the Tavor, FN2000, and AUG seem to be the main contenders for bullpups here.

Franco mentions the XM8.  I avoided it since it was such a failure to start, never even commercially available.  That is a pretty big failure.  I did get to handle one and I liked the charging handle on it.  I am really glad it went nowhere since had it been adopted we might have never seen quad rails take off as it originally had its own funky accessory mounting system.


  1. Okay, I really think you are being overly critical. The AA-12 is an amazing feat of engineering, and I can’t think of a better combat shotgun for CQB. The only downside to a combat shotgun is the capacity, and the AA-12 has that covered. I have never used the M468 but I can’t imagine the weight of the rail is a negative. I have a DD RIS II and it’s as light as my old Troy Bravo rail, and rugged-er.. I do remember the swan being heavier. Anyway, the ACR is a good gun. If I had to choose a SHTF gun it would be the ACR with multi barrels and calibers. The modularity, maintenance, reliability in adverse environments, and barrel life is a high point. Bushmaster was a top notch company, and Remington still is. I don’t know where you are coming from claiming people think poorly of Bushmaster? Anyone who knows ARs, will tell you Colt, Armalite, and Bushmaster were the top three manufacturers of rugged, reliable, ARs during the not so popular Assault Weapons Ban era, among few others including boutique manufacturers. I know ACRs I got to play with a few prototypes. The biggest downfall was the lack of supply of components and long wait for barrels. This happens when a not so big manufacturer takes on such an ambitious project. Since we know historically many amazing platforms have had limited success like the Marine Expeditionary Rifle, and several of Stoner’s creations, I think your take on these offerings is a bit short sighted. None of these are really fad weapons. They may be misunderstood by the average consumer, expensive, and even exotic, but impressively effective platforms none the less.

  2. As far as the XCR goes, we Canadians buy them. They are one of the few modern rifles that we can both own, and use outside of registered ranges. A few other rifles, like the tavor, type 97, vz-58 and sign 550 series clones are in the same class as the XCR there.
    Rifles like the ar-15, while popular, cannot be used for hunting while many others like the FAL, AK’s, AUGS and any other rifle you have seen in an 80’s action movie, indeed including the AA12 are prohibited for the vast majority of Canadians.

    Sorry for the digression into northern gun law. I can’t speak for the performance of the XCR, but we have a legal reason they’re popular.

  3. The XCR does have a good following up in Canada. Small market, I know, but it’s well loved (if pricey) for being non-restricted in the 18.6″ barrel config. That barrel is made specifically for the Canadian market, too.

    RA has also recently released a keymod version and an extended-handguard “competition” model too, so it seems like they’re continuing to support it.

  4. Do you guys remember the Xm8? Lol HK had to jump unto the AR15 market to achieve a success. We will see where the ARX, cz bren, will go as well..


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