Hipoint Pistol & Carbine An Open Minded Look

Normally these firearms are not the kind you would see on this website.  The review below came about after an extensive conversation with Hunter, the owner of www.rangehot.com, one night. I was talking to him about asking Inland Mfg. if I could send their recently reviewed M1911A1 straight to him, so he could test and write about it, instead of just sending straight back to them.  Hunter told me he had the two Hi-Points and how surprised he was about how accurate they are. He suggested  he should send them on to me.  I thought about it for a while and decided to give them a try, if for no other reason than to prove we are not total snobs here.

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First I will talk about the carbine.  It is chambered in 45ACP and has a camo finish in the popular civilian, non-military style hunting pattern.  The magazine will work in both the carbine and pistol. The carbine has rails for attaching whatever you might want to attach to it.

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You have one rail under the barrel, one rail under the hand guard and a rail on top of the hand guard, for attaching optics, using the common industry standard rail mounts.

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The sights are adjustable, large and easy to see. You get the peep  rear sight and a front sight post. The rear peep sight is adjustable, with markings to keep track of adjustments and is protected by two “ears” or sight hood.

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The front sight post is a pointed post and reminds me of the front sight of a Type 99 Arisaka. The sight is enclosed and protected. Though the circle in circle sights do not really add anything with the sight picture, I do like that the hood over the front sight. It is large and lets enough light in so you can actually see the thing in low light, unlike some classic much love military rifle sights. It provides protection, does not crowd the sight picture up or make it hard to see.  The rear sight is also very open, lets in light and is very fast to use/pick-up. It however does make precise shots with the iron sights a bit difficult. The carbine is clearly never meant to be your next match service rifle at Perry.

We took the gun out to the range with no oil or lube of any kind and fired a large amount of mid range to low quality ammo through it, to see how it preformed.  It worked fine.  Dirty Remington training ammo and CCI  aluminum cased cheap training ammo ran through it just as well as  the good stuff.  One magazine did give us some problems. It did not cause the gun to malfunction but the follower kept getting stuck.  Accuracy testing was done at 25 and 50 yards.

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The carbine really liked Winchester white box, Walmart ammo.  Really it’s kind of fitting as these guns are aimed at consumers who have a limited budget and are very likely to use what they can get, for the best price.  I am not suggesting the carbine is tuned for such a thing but I am sure this would be a happy result for those users.  The group above was eight (8) rounds at 25 yards, though it does not look like it.

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If the Hi-Poaint Carbine liked the Winchester ball ammo, it found its soul mate in the Speer ball ammo.  The group above was a full mag string shot at 25 yards with Speer training ball ammo.  This is pretty cheap stuff and the result was a shocker to those of us shooting it.  We fired multiple groups with the same ammo but I am showing the groups that are generally representative of what the gun is capable of. They are not the carbines best groups as I always feel that’s a little misleading. The groups shown are not always the absolute best groups shot of the day if the tightest groups can’t be repeated.  So looking at these groups, you can see that these are not cherry picked “best of” groups.  For anyone reading this review, considering buying one of these firearms for budget reasons or just for plinking,  I want to make sure you see what it really does and how it will really preform on any given day.

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Remington 230 grain ball ammo is about as bad as ball training ammo can get but still is made by one of the big name ammo makers.  It is filthy, under powered and not even usually mediocre when it comes to accuracy.  As shown above, its performance in the Hi-Point carbine certainly its not horrible. In a pistol it would still be pretty decent. This one is almost cherry picked, in that the other groups from the Remington ball ammo would often fall off the edge of the target.

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Above is a “Q” target at 100 yards. It is roughly the size of a smallish man.  The group was fired from 100 yards with no rest using Speer ball ammo.  The KRISS Vector did not even shoot this well at 100 yards. Below is another 100 yard Qual target, before we adjusted the sights to hit higher.

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With this carbine, using iron sights, off hand, with ball ammo, I am not sure you can ask for much more, considering what it is and its intended use. It is not a sniper rifle and it is not a M4. It is a light pistol caliber carbine, meant to be as useful as a budget carbine in mind.

Now, handling wise I do not care much for its balance. The carbine is a little rear heavy to me. Another point is, like the KRISS, the stock seems to impart that strange recoil vibration into the cheek. After multiple rapid strings the cheek will start to feel a little sting. The Vector had the same oddity and everyone commented on it.  The trigger is certainly no match trigger and may not even be as good as a decent milspec trigger, but that’s ok.  As I said before, that’s not what this firearm is meant be.  I don’t know if there are upgrades for the Hi-Points or if anyone has any tips on how to improve it.  I honestly do not know much at all about the world of Hi-Points, beyond what I learned while testing these two.

Next up is the Hi-Point pistol, also chambered in the greatest pistol round ever to bless this universe, the .45ACP of course.

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The pistol has a finish that makes me think of something like the USMC desert digital pattern, without actually being the same, due to trademarks. It’s a pretty good looking pattern to me. I have seen some Remington 870s and some other various fireams with what I believe to be the same camo pattern on them.  The pistol has light or laser rail forward of the trigger and takes the same magazines as the carbine.  Much to my displeasure, the handgun does not have a slide release/lock and you must “slingshot” the slide on a slide lock reload.

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The rear sight has red inserts and while it is not really tall it can be used to cycle the action  for one handed manipulation.

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The front sight is not adjustable, it is a fixed sight and has a yellowish insert in it to contrast with the red rear, to make it more visible. I know these touches are meant to make them easier and faster to see but I honestly do not think it helped in my opinion. In bright day light the front washed out for me. It might have been better had the front sight been red and the rear sight blacked out.  That is totally a personal taste and I am sure some one out there likes this combination fine.

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The sight configuration and color did not hurt the pistols accuracy potential as you can see above. All groups fired are five (5) round groups at 20 yards.  I will let the pictured groups speak for themselves.

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All groups fired were from a bench, with sandbags, in very slow methodical strings, using much effort to give the gun every chance I could.

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The top group is a full magazine, fired at 30 yards, from sand bags and from the bench.

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In the above picture, closing out the groups and the biggest irony, the ammo the carbine liked the most and shot so tight, the pistol apparently hated it.  Who knew?

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The trigger on the pistol is not a pleasure to work with when it comes to shooting tight groups. It even takes some getting used to for working with the Hi-Point at any speed. I fired a little over 300 rounds through the pistol and still did not quite get use to using the trigger very effectively,  The recoil of the firearm is very strange for some one use to the 1911 platform.  It seems I could feel the large slide moving back and forth.  It did however work boringly 100%. Nothing really to say. I can’t trash it over multiple failures, because it didn’t fail at all, simple as that.  Will I buy one? No, but it’s not a firearm meant for me.  These Hi-Points already have their niche and are for people who work within certain financial limits/constraints. People who just plain like them will continue to buy them regardless of anyone else’s tastes. Regardless what the most snobbish among us think of them.

I initially did not want to test these two firearms, but Hunter told me to have an open mind and give them a chance. I did my best and was surprised at the accuracy of these two pieces.  I have seen Springfield Armory handguns that shot a lot worse than these two.  They are not great firearms or perfect, but they are not the worst I have ever seen. That would be the LLama , Jennings and Lorcins, running neck and neck for the worst, in my experience. If you think the Hi-Points are for you, then I feel you can buy with confidence. They will work despite what most internet experts say.  This is from my experience and with speaking to other gun writers.  Hi-Points also shoot accurately and everything else you can mostly work around.

If these two firearms are for you, you think they are for you and want to know more about them and others. I highly recommend you go to Hunter’s website, (Range Hot). Hunter has gone in depth about these two Hi-Points as well as other firearms. He does a really good job with them and even though I put aside my own biases, I know many will need more than my opinion. Hunter’s reviews can be found here http://rangehot.com/hi-point-45-pistol-and-carbine-self-defense-on-a-budget/   You can find more reviews on other  Hi-Point offerings, at his website using the search feature .  He puts high accuracy results into a nifty little table for you and usually does some video and ballistic gel testing as well.

 

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