Inland MFG M1 Carbine & M1911 Mud& Frozen Water Torture Test

IF you have been reading us for the past 6 months you have seen the ongoing testing and review of the Inland MFG  M1911A1 and M1 carbine.  You can find the reviews using the search feature.  As an aside to those on going tests, today weather conditions gave us the chance to do little else other than abuse fire arms since it was so cold and raining our targets would melt away after being soaked in a matter of a few minutes.

We used the huge standing mud/water hole that was frozen over night to toss the guns in and see what happens.

 

First  the much maligned M1 carbine. Known the world over for being as feeble against the elements  as  tissue paper.

 

Next us was the Inland M1911A1 clone.   Everyone knows only a glock would work under such conditions.

As you can see. both did fine.  I admit I thought  the M1 carbine in the sludge and me kicking mud over it was giving it more than it could reasonably be expected to handle. But it did just great.    Shooting down myths of certain guns being unreliable and the myth of certain guns being super indestructible does get tiresome and redundant. But it is still necessary these days as much as it ever was.   Especially with the 1911.   So many companies make the 1911 now, and very few of them actually make good ones the way they are supposed to be made .  The result is poorly made 1911s that those looking for a reason to claim its not reliable find that reason in those many lesser companies who cut corners or just do not care.   Inland has proven to my satisfaction that they indeed make a good GI  spec 1911.

Marcus Luttrell "Applauds" obama's Gun Laws

Marcus Luttrell, famous Navy SEAL, budding hollywood star ,noted Constitutional scholar and now liberal gun banners new best friend has recently  sounded off about obama’s new executive action  gun laws.  When asked about it, he responded to the reporter that “I applaud Obama for trying to do something” 

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/01/09/exp-luttrell-on-gun-laws.cnn

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When asked about it by the CNN reporter  he uttered.

“Let me put this out to you, man. I applaud him [Obama] for trying to do something, alright.”

 

Something has to be done. I mean, I think that should be said, too. Everybody takes jabs at him but he’s trying to do something. I get that,” Luttrell argued. “And I’m not 100 percent on this, but didn’t they open up that if you get a psych eval and the doc thinks you’re crazy he can turn you over to the feds?”

“I don’t know if that’s internet lure or that’s part and parcel of this. Because my understanding and I’ve read it,” Smerconish said. “What he’s trying to do is identify who is a hobbyist at gun sales and to make people subject to background checks. That’s the bottom line. It seems pretty modest, frankly.”

“Yeah. I don’t see, why is that a problem? I mean, people get driver’s licenses and — I don’t think that’s an issue. In 2016, I don’t think that that’s a problem,” Luttrell said.

“Marcus, they may yank you off that NRA ad, if they hear you say that,” Smerconish interjected.

“To have people with — with psychological problems have a background check before they can buy a weapon? I don’t think the NRA would pull me off that one,” Luttrell said. “If they do, then I need to be pulled off it because… you can’t give a weapon to someone who has mental issues, right.”

After giving these statements  among the obviously backlash, he tried damage control  that seems more designed to protect his desire for a hollywood career or future run for political office than it does anything else.
“Guess over night a two min interview hit full spin so let me square this away so you will know exactly what I mean… This is gonna be fun
The mistake was made when they put a title on me, I’m not a conservative I’m not a liberal I’m a WAR fighter ( Ret/old/ busted)which means I look for the best way to get the job done even if the plan is shit and all the guys don’t agree.
I support the 2nd amendment and always will. Do I think someone who is mentally unstable should have a back ground check before buying a weapon yes. If someone has a distorted sense of reality and can’t tell what’s right from wrong and they have a criminal background they shouldn’t have a gun. We have terrorist living in our neighborhoods NOW. (That’s another topic) mass shootings, kids killing kids etc. something needs to be done, but it will have to be done together one man can’t fix it. I do not support an executive order, this needs to be a collective decision between the lawmakers of this country. Violence is the act of people,the gun is just the means. If it’s not guns it will always be something else bombs probably it’s happen before, Mr. President I think you know some of those people.
Do I support or agree w/ the pres No but will I back him up, ALWAYS. I’m an American. If you have Senator or a Congressman in front of your name we expect you to act as a Statesmen not someone a year removed from high school. In case you haven’t heard the American People have no faith in your abilities right now .. No faith do you really understand what that means ?!?? Learn to work together to get shit done. Hey If you need to take the negative attention off yourselves and put it on me go ahead I can take that as well. I know I’m not a politician I don’t know what I’m talking about well news flash being a politician is not suppose to be a career .. Most of you have no idea what’s really going on out here and we know that.
Conservative checklist: God first, keep wife happy, from the country, drive a jacked up truck, I do carry a gun, say yes ma’am, hunt,fish, drink some whiskey every now and again chase the wife around the house like a teenager, then church on Sunday. I’m not an extreme conservative, but I live my life w/ conservative values. I am not a liberal but I do like the opera ( joke) but I understand and believe in some of their principals. I’m for what ever keeps this country pushing forward so that my kids can hopefully have what we have, that means making the hard play if you truly care about where this country is going than to make sacrifices on her behalf is necessary. funny how and 18 year old kid will jump on a grenade to save the idea of this country, but our leadership skips out on simple votes. ( think about it) also PTSD is not a green light for murder. I’m sick of hearing that if you served in the military you must have a mental problem. First off there is probably some truth to that we are all a little crazy and that’s ok (another joke) BUT we have a lot of our guys being Bitches! you were a soldier that means you can handle more than the average person never forget that. Having served shows people how strong you are not how weak. This is my opinion, good or bad it’s mine. God Bless”
Indeed Marcus. You are NOT a conservative. Nor are you a real supporter of the 2nd amendment.  In reading this semi coherent mess posted on his official facebook profile the next day,Marcus wants us all to know he will back the president up, ALWAYS .  While applauding the EO  and telling us he will  back obama. But he does make a point of letting us know he would rather congress be involved and make those EO laws, not just one man..   I find it interesting that a man who would have us believe he is a proud gun owner, supports the EO while being oblivious to that fact he will be one of the first people to lose his right due to the new mental health aspects. He has long talked about his problems with PTSD , his issues and even told some dubious stories about himself.
Marcus clearly loves the limelight and is in front of cameras giving his opinion often. I found it odd from the start that he was so happy and eager for Marky Mark to portray him in the Lone Survivor movie.  Marky Mark of course being one of the most rabid anti-gun and Anti-NRA  kook actors in hollywood.   I can assure you I would not let a man with the exact opposite values as mine, play me in a movie about my life.
Marcus uses the old fall back attempt of using the armor  of him being a vet and SEAL to limit any blow back about his most ignorant comments about the RKBA while outing himself for what he really is and what he thinks.  While at the same time tries to deflect blame for his own words to congress in a rambling mess.   It sticks in my craw that a man who has built much of his post military fame and fortune off of the gun culture has said such idiotic things.
Recently Luttrell has made some videos for the NRA.  I have called and written to the NRA and demanded them trashed for ever and the NRA I am part of, to cut all ties with this man.

 

LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT, THAT FAILS.

Article submitted by Mark Hatfield.

Another good reason to always test your equipment, never trust anything until it has proven itself.

Today, while working as a Range Safety Officer, late in the day, a couple arrived to test their guns.  Both had identical guns, a small five shot revolver, double action only, with a laser.  Note that this laser was never used during shooting, only the traditional ‘iron’ sights.  As I watched them to assess if they could safely handle their guns and not doing anything stupid, I noticed that the woman seemed to have a failure to fire but perhaps she had not fully loaded the gun, I didn’t know.  She mentioned that the gun did not seem to shoot to point of aim and asked me to try it, I did.  I fired two shots at twelve yards, one was right on, the other hit far to the left.  I thought that the shot off to the left was perhaps me, my inconsistency.  She then shot at a paper target which was placed at perhaps five yards distant.

Her group, that is, her cluster of shots, was satisfactory but far to the left of where the gun was aimed.  The man seemed to be having problems also, I fired his gun and all my shots hit in the same place, far left, as had happened for the woman.  I then shot the womans gun on the paper target and my hits were right on top of hers.  I asked one of the other Range Officers to test fire both guns, he had exactly the same results.  In addition to that, both guns occasionally failed to fire, that was with new factory ammunition by Winchester.

This model gun has the sleeved two piece barrel.  When this design first came on the market, Massad Ayoob compared several of them to their older versions which used the traditional method of barrel construction.  In his test, all the newer versions fired groups which were three to four times larger than the older gun, in other words, they were really bad.  Supposedly this problem has been corrected, apparently not.

Consider this, one gun might have a ‘fluke’, a manufacturing defect, perhaps an oversight in the making, or someone got careless in construction but…two identical guns, each with the same two identical problems.  One of the problems being that this is a gun designed specifically for last ditch self defense, to keep you alive and it doesn’t always go bang when you need it to.  Add to that, not being able to put its’ shots where they need to go.  Shame on you Smith & Wesson.  Someone there needs to be taken out and beaten, or sued.

Turn the Tide: Guidelines for Open Carry

Turn the tide

Congratulations Texas. Your incredibly pushy efforts to get open carry have succeeded in getting you a open carry provision added to your state CCW licensure. Open carry comes with certain responsibilities. In this handy guide, we will discuss the steps you need to take to avoid being a open carry douchbag. As our visible representation to the average joe, you are a walking billboard for the gun community. It is your responsibility to carry in a way that turns heads and changes opinions. So here are X steps you need to take to be a representative of gun owners everywhere.

Denial Measures

The first point of discussion is the most important aspect of open carry:  A holster made to carry the pistol in a responsible manner. THE WORST THING we can do is allow our weapon to fall into the wrong hands. Be that it is taken from you by force, or that it simply falls out of that shit nylon holster you got at Bob’s Guns, its high time to realize that if you drop that gun in a public place, or if you are shot or killed with a weapon taken from your person, YOU WILL BE NATIONAL NEWS. You will give countless liberal idiots everything they need to point and scream at how ineffective, dangerous, and meat headed open carry is. If that pistol makes its way out of that nylon holster in the wrong circumstances, you not only could lose your CCW license, but you will make us all look like idiots.

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Good Kydex Plus Active Retention: Photo courtesy Bravo Concealment

RETENTION is the name of the game. If you are going to open carry responsibly, you need a retention holster instead of that cheap hydrodipped skull kydex you got off Amazon. True, GOOD KYDEX has passive retention, and this is a good thing, but would it help you if a thug started tugging at the pistol? Active retention buys you security and time. Active retention gives you precious seconds longer to deny a thug your pistol. Good Retention will prevent that pistol from dropping out at the park. Active retention will prevent it from falling out at the park and keep it out of thug hands. Don’t make the news. Go for active retention with open carry. It just makes too much sense.

Dress for success

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If you can pull this off and Open Carry, you are doing more for the second amendment than you can possibly imagine.

Dress for success. This is key. As our walking billboard, you need to show the community you live in that, as a gun owner, you are clean, good looking, hell even popular. If you dress like Slob McAllister, you continue to perpetrate stereotypes which work against us. Dress well. It doesn’t have to be business casual, but dress in a manner that represents us. The more loser you look, the more opinions will be re-inforced. We are on the offensive now. Gun ownership is experiencing a resurgence not seen in decades. Help that wave grow by looking damn good, and looking cool as hell. Yes this is a popularity contest. We have to make the other side look like sheepish morons, while we, the gun owners, look like American action stars (if applicable) at best, and at the very least… like an approachable all American guy or gal.  Carry those pocket constitutions in your back pocket and hand out lollipops if necessary. This is a cultural war, and we have to be on the cutting edge and relevant to young adults and all future generations. So look good, and answer questions politely.

Put the Phone Down

Stop recording the cops… Or at least change the strategy. As an open carrier, your going to be approached by police. You may want to record the interaction because sometimes the police are wrong. I know you want to post every bad interaction on YouTube, but when your video starts out with a nice cop asking to see your CCW and you start screaming “AM I BEING DETAINED?? AM I BEING DETANED?!?!” you look like a douchbag.  Stop it. You make us look unreasonable and further the impression of those who are on the fence that we may be, in fact, idiots. Quietly turn on that cell phone, put it in your pocket, and comply with the cops demands to all reasonable ends. If he or she was wrong and you are reasonable with your speech and actions, we, the gun community, will stand behind you. Post that to YouTube and contact your lawyer.

Wrapping Up:

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Remember, this is a popularity contest. I don’t care how much you think the Constitution protects your rights, the reality is that it does nothing if the public doesn’t believe in the rights written on it. Nothing could be worse than to let popular opinion of the gun owner turn against us. When the majority of the citizenry believes the constitution is a failed document, and begin to shred it by re-interpreting, restricting protections, and crapping over the brilliance of the founding fathers… then its protections mean nothing. The citizenry is doing that RIGHT NOW. We have to turn the tide. Your job, as a walking billboard for gun owners, is to carry responsibly, to look damn good doing it, and to change minds about what a gun owner is. We’re not rednecks. We are culturally relevant bad asses who pet kittens and kiss babies, yet are prepared to defend ourselves and possibly those around us from harm. Please represent us well Texas, and as a former Pennsylvania open carry resident, good luck with future legislative success.

 

Best & Worst of 2015

Every year I try to do a list of the stuff we were sent for T&E  or anything else we evaluated and talked about.  This year is a little late but as they say better late than something or other.  Everything listed will have a review or at the least the 1st part of a 2 part review that you can read in addition to the list.

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Fist up is the Colt 6940 Piston carbine.   The ( obviously) piston operated version of the 6940 DI monolithic carbine.  It was more accurate than we thought it would be fore a piston gun and held up to some of the most serious abuse I have ever doled out on a AR15 including multiple 60 round mag full auto mag dumps and has yet to be cleaned or oiled.  In my opinion colt never fails and is always the right answer to any question.

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Next up is the newly made Inland MFG M1 carbine.  The M1 carbine is much maligned in some places for various and dubious reasons.  Regardless this is a very faithful remake and is a real beauty. It shot great and was as about as accurate as you would want  with decent ammo.  And it just looks great. Part 1 is up and part 2 of the review will be posted shortly.

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Up next is another Inland gun.  Inlands rep was a little worried  about how I would like this gun knowing I am solid devotee of Colt 1911s as THE M1911 maker.  But it proved to be very reliable and very faithful to the M1911A1 it is a clone of. It looks great and is tough. Another gun I have been merciless with. It is not a 100 percent 1911A1 since it does use the “series 80 “type safety but only  the pedantic and the people who repeat nonesense about that type of safety  would care. It is not a real WW2 relic and is meant to give you the look and feel without the price and it does it job very well.  You are not going to win a bulls eye match or IPSC , but it is plays its role perfectly even if its not a Colt.

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the compTac  pistol and M16 mag pouches.  No they are not flashy or tacos, or made by crye. But I love them.  They snap on over a belt easy and really stay secure. You can adjust the tension and they are lo profile.  I use the pistol pouch every day and the rifle mag almost as often . I really , really like these. Since they clip over instead of needing the belt threaded though, they go one fast and come off fast but they do not fit as snug against your body. I can live with that as they fill my need perfectly most of the time and fit over a larger amount of belts with different widths  than the other type of loop.

 

Some More quick mentions that I have not got the chance to write a  review or may not be withing the umbrella of what we do here int he case of my Father’s cross bow.

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The Mathews cross bow my Dad took two deer with this past year, One at 40 yards and one at 55 yards.  Not being a bow guy and not liking anything bow and arrow related  I will not nor ever will be reviewing them but felt this was worth mentioning for those of you who do like them. I was impressed with the distance  enough to mention it here regardless.

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The Leupold  Mark 6.  It is hands down, with no exaggeration or joking , in my opinion the best optic I have used so far. It is everything I would want or need in and optic of this type. I can not expressed how much I love this scope.

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Tug Valley Armament’s ammo is safe and reliable and accurate.  I can get some of the more odd ball stuff I use affordable and have  choice in bullets weights. And it saves me from making 7.7 Jap brass myself.  It is good stuff and all the massive full auto testing done over the summer used this company’s 556 and 308 ammo exclusively.  Having the trust to use a certain ammo brand in machine guns is not something to take lightly.  Give them a call if you need something or just want some 556.

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The Barrett  bors scope system. I had thought it was kind of a gimmick since it came out.  What can I say? Even I am wrong sometimes.  I have had many years of experience with the M82A1 but never with the BORS till this year.  Its very nice with the 50. IF you can afford it..

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The Century ( I know, I know) HK 33 pistol.  This one was converted into a SBR and was purchased with that in mind.  It works great and  no arguing it looks cool.  Its accuracy is about like you would get from a middle of the price range 556 AK. And its ergo is about as meh, as every other HK rifle/carbine. But is just  has a quality you can only say in french.   For a century it worked well and surprised me.   This is more of an honorable mention since a lot of people seem to have hit or miss luck with these and their reliability.   but this one works for the nonce . So keep that in mind.

 

 

WORST!

ATI stg 44

 

Pure garbage.   Then again it might be on the best of list for tomato stake or boat anchor.  So bad I would rather have an M14. Stay away I would not even dream of suggesting some one try to waste precious, precious 22Lr in one of these obamas.

 

Retro AR15 & Cleaning

 

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Ever since I acquired this Colt SP1. I had it in mid to get some of the Vietnam era military cleaning gear to go with it. Not so much to use, but for display. I have a fairly large military display of Vietnam war era items and normally the cleaning stuff  is among the other things displayed. It took a while to track down each of these thing in new mint condition, but it was worth it and it makes a nice picture of the items in common use at time the rifle was originally made.

Can Milk Jugs Stop a Bullet?

An empty milk jug seems like a pretty flimsy thing, but when you cut several milk jugs into pieces and melt them into an homogeneous block, it starts to look a little more substantial. Still, can plastic stop a bullet? High density polyethylene, or HDPE, is used in a variety of products because it is strong, light, and cheap. Ultra high molecular weight polyethylene, or UHMWPE is used in some rifle plates because it is tough and light. While the two are not the same, they are chemically similar and although HDPE is not as tough as UHMWPE, it is tougher than you might expect.

This seems silly and it is, but there is a more serious purpose to this test. Every few years, some dullard statist politician gets it in his or her tiny head to place restrictions on body armor because banning the things for the children has worked so well in the past. There already exist some jurisdictions where body armor is regulated. Some countries do not allow private citizens to own body armor at all. The purpose of the Open Source Armor Project is to establish a standard for homemade body armor that is effective, cheap, easy to make, and constructed of easily sourced materials. It is not intended to be an alternative to proper body armor, but rather an option for those who may not have access to “real” armor as well as a counterpoint to any arguments in favor of banning personal body armor. The goal of this test was as a proof of concept. Further testing will explore the stand alone capability of a 1 1/4″ thick slab like this as well as its usefulness as a backing material for floor tiles. In previous testing, we have established that porcelain floor tiles are more than up to the task of stopping intermediate rifle cartridges when backed by a tough material.

The questions that remain to be answered are:

  • How effective can the HDPE slab be on its own?
  • What is the optimum thickness?
  • How many tiles is optimum to achieve a favorable balance of weight and protection?
  • What adhesives are both inexpensive and effective?
  • What material works best to contain fragments?

Once these questions are answered, we can establish a standard configuration or set of configurations that can then be independently tested. If you are interested in contributing to this project, please contact The Chopping Block on YouTube.

Mud Testing Service Rifles From InRange TV

The  fellows over at InRange TV  have been posting a series of very popular  mud tests on various service weapons. Most recently a mud test of the fragile AR15 that “everyone” knows can not take even a microscopic speck of dust and has to be cleaned every 3 rounds.    I like to think out regular readers already know how this video is going to turn out since it is one of my pet subjects.

https://www.full30.com/embed/30a1f036a5143172f5da39cf50f46360

I am sure this will still come as a shock to some people who see it.  The truth is the AR15 and its DI system can take a lot more filth and abuse that some of the guns out there with reputations for being unstoppable. Years of military personnel repeating handed down myth and  misinformation over decades combined with the civilian gun communities habit of believing everything a vet  says as if it was gospel that can never be question  and gun media with their own slick ads and and agenda has made this particular BS myth last longer than it should have.

 

Below is the dirty duo’s  mud test of the AK47 . The mythological unstoppable killing machine that is infallible.

https://www.full30.com/embed/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313
And here is a much enlightening ( for some) video with mud testing some of the other popular service rifles.

https://www.full30.com/embed/9eef6b3a4eb6c8846a4c8dc4b8968bc4
M1 Garand.  mud test .

https://www.full30.com/embed/a9145047584c659d45aacc4e1392d2e3
 

 

You can find all of there videos  following the links below.

https://www.full30.com/channels/inrange

You can also find the other channel Forgotten weapons at the same website www.full30.com