7.62 NATO, Turning cover into concealment since…. well, not as often as you may think.

Almost anywhere you go on the internet and read about guns used for combat or defense you will find the guys who will tell you that to kill anything bigger then a cat, you need the .308 . Often this is followed up with the smarmy little quip, “308 turning cover into concealment since 1953.”    The problem with this is that it is not exactly true and the 308 is hardly the tank killer its more rabid fans make it out to be.    The war on terror is often used as proof of the 30 cal rifles being better then 556.   What they do not mention or maybe don’t know, is if a 556 wont penetrate a brick wall, a 308 probably won’t either.

I took my 308  out to do some testing after hearing that old chestnut about cover etc. one too many times.  I have shot at a lot of stuff, with a lot of stuff and seldom have seen the performance claimed that a 308 will give.   I set up a little wall of cinder blocks and put a cardboard target behind it and backed off about 75 yards.  Then fired a few 7.62 ball rounds at it to see what got through.


The blocks did not even have all the other things associated with a normal house mixed in.  No pipes, or wiring or paneling or drywall. this would be an advantage for trying to penetrate the wall since it would have nothing else to get in the way. So, according to the 308 boys club, the round should have zipped through and exploded the target like an A-bomb.


The block cracked.  But the round did not go through and destroy the target. It took three rounds to do this.  Nothing that hit the target was even close to lethal. Just a few pieces of block. Keep in mind, this is from not very far away and was block only. None of the other things that make up a wall in a dwelling or some other facility that would have insulation, Wiring and pipes adn who knows what else.    Increase that yardage to 200-300 yards and beyond and the performance would drop even more.  You could turn the cover into some thing less then cover, but it would almost take up your entire mag.

The 308 is an effective round. But, it weighs more. costs more, recoils more. is harder to shoot then 556. Needs longer follow up, the guns are heavier , slower and louder then a 556.  Think long and hard about these things along with what you really need your rifle to do before you buy a 7.62 rifle based on what some will tell you about its magical unicorn stopping power. It is a potent round, but it is not what some make it out to be.

To add to above, I was reminded by Mark Hatfield that the effectiveness of the 308 or any round for that matter on blocks, is lessened even more when the block are set by real masonry.  Blocks standing free will break apart and give the round a more impressive look that does not reflect reality when trying to shoot through a real wall.


The picture above is a small structure  that housed a pump for a well. It was made after the main house was built and was constructed in the exact same manner as the house walls. The holes in the picture are form a 308 shooting M80 ball from less then 30 yards.  Not one of the shots penetrated the blocks.  Hardly the godzilla destroying power internet experts will tell you the 7.62 NATO  has.

Comp-Tac Minotaur MTAC Review

Article submitted by M

Comp-Tac Minotaur MTAC Inside the Waistband Holster Review

            Since receiving my concealed carry license almost ten years ago I have carried a firearm almost daily.  For most of that time I’ve used a Galco FX226 outside the waistband pancake holster.  It has served me well and I continue to use it when circumstances allow, however there are times when the type of dress I am forced to wear or type of event I will be attending make it impractical.  That being the case I found myself in the market for a good concealable inside the waistband holster.


After looking around online a bit I opted to go with the Minotaur MTAC IWB holster by Comp-Tac.  The MTAC features a leather backing piece with interchangeable kydex holster bodies attached via four hex screws, with the two screws closest to the weapon’s trigger guard doubling as the weapon retention adjustment, and two belt clips that are adjustable for ride height and holster cant.


Comp-Tac MTAC Comp-Tac MTAC


As a Glock user this holster appealed to me because by purchasing the 9/40/357 slide model of the MTAC I was able to have one holster that fit my G17, G19, and G26 with no modification.  Comp-Tac did this by leaving the muzzle end of the holster open thereby allowing the excess slide/frame of the G17 and G19 to extend just past the end of the kydex on the holster.  The muzzle of the G26 sits basically flush with the end of the kydex holster body.


Comp-Tac MTAC

Comp-Tac MTAC

Comp-Tac MTAC


I also liked that the holster allowed for a fairly wide range of adjustment when it came to ride height and cant due to the multi slot belt clips.  Another plus to the holster is that the kydex bodies are easily interchangeable.  By purchasing a 1911 kydex body I was basically able to have a second holster for a fraction of the cost.


Comp-Tac MTAC

Comp-Tac MTAC


When I received my MTAC it came with the holster, an instruction sheet, a hex key, a an NRA membership flyer, and a package of Smarties candy.  I’m not going to lie, getting the Smarties made me smile.


Comp-Tac MTAC


I have been wearing my MTAC on and off as circumstances dictate for almost a year now and have no real complaints.  It conceals well in both t-shirts and button up shirts, especially so if a situation dictates that I have to tuck my shirt in, and I’ve not had anyone realize I was carrying while using the MTAC.  While you’ll never forget it’s there the holster is comfortable to wear, and after a quick break in the leather backing conforms to the your body nicely.  As with most IWB holsters I’d recommend wearing pants with a bit of room in the waist to accommodate the holster comfortably.  The minimalist in me wishes the holster’s footprint was a bit smaller however it does not cause any issues and isn’t really a complaint on my part.


Comp-Tac MTAC

Comp-Tac MTAC

Comp-Tac MTAC


The only real issue I had was with the standard belt clips that come with the holster.  Because there is no type of hook feature on the bottom of the standard belt clip it did not securely grip against the bottom edge of my belt when drawing the gun from the holster.  This led to the holster coming out with the gun on a few practice draws.  Comp-Tac warns about this in the holster instruction sheet and advises that keeping your belt tight is necessary to ensure proper holster retention.  It’s a personal preference issue, and while I’m not sagging my pants like a gangsta rapper, I don’t like being forced to keep my belt snugged down that tight.


Comp-Tac MTAC


I envisioned that the standard belt clips could present this problem when looking at their shape online so I ordered the optional C-clip belt clips with the holster as well.  The C-clip features a hook shape on both ends of the belt clip which not only aides in securing the holster to your belt but in concealment as well since there aren’t two plastic strips covering the outside of your belt several inches apart.   With the C-clips installed keeping the holster in my waistband while drawing the weapon was never again an issue, and I am completely satisfied they resolved the problem.


Comp-Tac MTAC


In summary I’ve found the MTAC to be a well made holster that does well in its intended role of providing weapon concealment and comfortable wear.  I do strongly recommend purchasing the optional C-clip belt clips.  The MTAC will continue to be my go to holster when I need the concealment only an IWB holster can provide.




Bubba’s Bargain Bin Basement Reloads

Low Quality Ammo from GS Custom


With ammo prices up, I see more people using reloaded ammunition.  Reloads can be high quality, or loaded cheaply for bulk.  But sadly many companies making reloads and other bargain ammunition are doing a lousy job.

The GS Custom reloaded ammo pictured here would not chamber in a firearm.  The round shown has a split case, that brass should not have been reloaded.

Various other issues I have seen in these poor quality reloads include but are not limited to:  Poorly sized ammunition that will not chamber.  High primers that can cause out of battery detonations.  Hot loads blowing out primers.  Rounds with no powder, and rounds where the bullets are not seated correctly or crimped leaving the bullet loose in the case.

Some less then honorable retailers are taking old surplus and repackaging it as new production ammunition.  The date on the headstamps show this to be untrue.  Often this ammo with perform well as surplus ammunition is generally reliable.  However some old surplus has been stored poorly over the years and will not fire reliably.

Bad ammunition can be unsafe, be sure that what you are buying is actually quality ammunition.

Natural Disaster Supplies

Cassie Larsen submitted this article.

In the case of a natural disaster situation. You want to be prepared to take care of yourself, your family and maybe your close neighbors. In the days leading to a known weather emergency you don’t want to be battling people trying to get the last bottle of water off the shelf or going to three different stores to buy a flashlight. After the disaster you don’t want to be dependent on the government for all of your needs. You need to be prepared ahead of time to be able to take care of the situation.

I’m going to discuss some of the basic things you need to get yourself started on being self reliant.

1. Food- You can live for weeks without food. You won’t be happy or thinking clearly but you’ll be alive. So I recommend having a 3 month food supply always on hand. (http://looserounds.com/2012/10/06/the-importance-of-a-3-month-food-supply-and-getting-started/) If you can’t have a 3 month food supply or don’t want one have a 72 hour supply of food. 72 hour supplies of food can be simple MRE’s and power bars. It’s nice to have comfort foods on hand for yourself and children. Comfort foods can help ease nerves and help you to have a sense of normalcy. I don’t recommend storing freezer meals as your emergency 72 hour foods. In most severe weather situations you will not have power, there will be no way to prepare or store the food. Keep on hand a manual can opener to open all those canned goods, no power means no electric can opener. When thinking about what foods to store for the natural disaster think about what’s easy to prepare and will still be something you can eat without a lot of preparation. A natural disaster isn’t the time to pull out new recipes.

2. Water- You can’t go more than a couple of days without water. Water is a big one to make sure you have plenty of on hand. FEMA recommends storing 1 gallon of water per person per day for drinking, bathing and cooking for at least three days. For a family of four that would be 12 gallons of water. Remember to store water for your pets too. Water should be stored in food grade, PETE or PET containers. Don’t store water in old milk containers they will break down. I’ve even purchased water from the store in milk type containers that have broken down after a year and leaked. I use old gallon juice containers with great success. Clean out any container you use prior to storing the water with a mixture of household bleach and water. 1 tsp bleach to 1 liter of water. Storing water purification items is also a great idea in case your clean water supply runs out.

3. Lighting- You should have multiple lighting options. Flashlights, candles, LED lights, oil, fires, solar powered, snap lights, battery operated, hand cranked, and shake flashlights. There are many different types of lights in each of those categories. Find which ones work for you.

4. Medical- I recommend you have a basic knowledge of first aid and CPR. If that means taking a class then signup now and be prepared. You should have a first aid kit and over the counter meds. If you are feeling the need for more look into specialty equipment for treatments of burns, gun shots, and large wounds.

5. Communications- I recommend having a hand cranked radio with cell phone charger attachment. That way you can keep up on the news, have light and charge your phone. If the cell phone towers in your area are down and the power is out, you can use a phone that plugs directly into the phone line, if those lines still work. A battery powered radio is also good to have. It will keep you updated on what’s going on around you, and where to go if you do need assistance. Just remember to keep batteries for it. There are many great options for radios; hand cranked, battery and solar powered. It’s also good to have a list of the emergency numbers in your area. The emergency responders in my area suggest everyone write down the coordinates of their home. After a major disaster many street signs and land marks are gone. It’s even harder to find you to give you help if they can’t find the house. There are many ways to get the latitude and longitude of your home, the easiest way I found was on google earth. Just put in your address and once your home shows up you will see the latitude and longitude on the bottom of the screen.

6. Heat- You should have multiple heating options just like everything else. You should have blankets, extra warm clothes, breakable hand warmers, if you have a fire place wood on hand and the know how to build a fire, a generator is also nice option. Look into camping propane heaters. They can keep you warm and you can cook on them. But be careful when using them they can be dangerous. So read up on them and follow the directions. If you are not going to having power for a while and it’s cold outside move into a medium sized room. You can close it up, put blankets over the windows to help keep the room insulated and keep the doors closed. It’s helpful for a family to bring all bedding into the same room and sleep there as well. Use your body heat.

7. Safety- GUNS and AMMO!! You can never have too much ammo. Make sure you have the adequate training to effectively use your weapons in defensive situations.

Of course I’m not an expert so do your own research too. This is a list to get you thinking and started on emergency preparedness.



This is a LooseRounds.com Q&A session.  If you have a firearms related question please email it to QA@LooseRounds.com. We will post the your questions anonymously and give you our answers.

How do I zero my sights?

Howard:  Well it would help if you told us what sort of sight you are using.  With iron sights, move the rear sight the same direction you want your impacts to go, and the front sight the opposite direction you need your impact to move.

Is the LMT MWS currently for sale the same as military issue?

Howard:  No, the currently LMT MWS is not the same as what was delivered in the order of 440 rifles to the British Military.  If you want the same thing as what they have, you will need to get an early MWS with an early stainless barrel.  Since then, MWS upper has changed, the barrel profile has changed, and the bolt and bolt carrier has changed.  If you do not care about these substantial changes, and just care about the look, you can buy LMT new package called the Sharpshooter.

Who makes the decals on the Pelican case in the articles?

Shawn:  Dogfightink is where you can get the decals.

Is there a screw on front sight installation tool for Glock?

Howard:  Yes, there are several brands of hex headed screw drivers for it.  Any dealer of Glock parts should have some, and it should run you around $10.

Will a Surefire x300 fit on a Sig P226?

Shawn:  If you have a rail on your P226, yes.

Howard:  You will need to buy a rail adapters if your Sig P226 does not come with an accessory rail.

Was the M16A1 used for sniping in Vietnam?

Shawn:  It was unofficially used, and even has a recorded hit out 800m, but offically consideration and testing it was not decided to be the basis of a sniper weapon in the Marine Corps or Army.

When did the Glock Model 20 come out?

Howard:  The 10mm Glock 20 came out around 1991.

Is the Sig 517 a SR25/M110 pattern rifle?

Howard:  The Sig 517 will use the same mags as the SR25/M110.  Other then that they are different.

Do they make a 30 round clip for the Scar-H?

Shawn:  No, no one make a 30 round “clip”, or a 20 or a 5 round “clip” for the SCAR.  The SCAR uses a Magazine.

Howard:  There are aftermarket 25 round mags, I don’t know if there are 30 round mags for it.

glock 36 6 round mag

Howard:  Please use complete sentences for questions.  Standard magazines for the Glock 36 hold 6 rounds.

Is the scar breaking optics?

Howard:  Many sources state that the FN SCAR’s recoil is harsh on optics.  This may be part of the reason why EoTech moved the battery location to being transversely mounted on the new Eotech and why Elcan now has a HD line of optics.

SHOT SHOW 2013: New Bushnell Elite Tactical Rifle Scopes and Spotting Scope

We got a chance to spend some time with Tim Tanker who is the Bushnell Senior Product Manager for Rifle Scopes. Bushnell has really burst onto the tactical scene this past year with some optics from their Elite Tactical line for the precision shooters that are getting good feedback. They are even being seen with some regularity in the special ops community, including last year’s international Sniper Competition. Many are touting these scopes as being as good as the $3000-$4000 scopes from other companies at half the price, which is a huge selling point for most average shooters.

Tim showed us three variable magnification models for this year that stood out.

The Bushnell Elite Tactical ERS 3.5-21x50mm comes in FDE or Matte Black, is a first focal plane optic with a G2DMR reticle, and locking zero stop turrets. Price point will be about $1999.

Specs for ERS 3.5-21x 50mm (ET315215GZ, ET315215GZA)
Power / Obj Lens: 3.5-21x 50mm
Finish: Matte, Flat Dark Earth
Length (in / mm): 13 / 332
Reticle: G2
Mounting Length (in / mm): 6 / 154
Field of View (ft@100 yds. / m@100 m): 26/8@3.5x / 5/1.5@21x
Adj Range in@100yds/ m@100m: 50 / 1.3
Weight (oz. / g): 35 / 992
Exit Pupil (mm): 10@3.5x / 2.4@21x
Eye Relief (in / mm): 3.7 / 95
Click Value in@100 yds / mm@100m: 0.34 / 10

Bushnell Elite Tactical ERS 3.5-21x 50mm

The Bushnell Elite Tactical XRS 4.5-30x50mm is he big boy and comes in Matte Black only, is also first focal plane with G2DMR reticle, and locking zero stop turrets. Price point will be about $2199.

Specs for XRS 4.5-30x 50mm (ET45305GZ)
Power / Obj Lens: 4.5x-30x 50mm
Finish: Matte
Length (in / mm): 10.2 / 265
Reticle: G2
Mounting Length (in / mm): 6.4 / 162
Field of View (ft@100 yds. / m@100 m): 24/7.3@4.5x / 3.6/1@30x
Adj Range in@100yds/ m@100m: 50 / 1.3
Weight (oz. / g): 37 / 1049
Exit Pupil (mm): 9@4.5x / 1.7@30x
Eye Relief (in / mm): 3.7 / 95
Click Value in@100 yds / mm@100m: 0.34 / 10

Bushnell Elite Tactical XRS 4.5-30x 50mm

And for the close-medium range shooters who need an optic that can work up close or reach out to longer ranges, like 3 gunners for example, they’ve introduced the Bushnell Elite Tactical SMRS 1-8.5×24 with illuminated red dot. It comes in Matte Black with a first focal plane illuminated BTR-2 reticle w/ 10 brightness settings, and again zero stop locking target turrets. Price point will be about $1999.

Specs for SMRS 1-8.5x 24mm (ET18524)
Power / Obj Lens: 1.8.5x 24mm
Finish: Matte
Length (in / mm): 10.2 / 265
Reticle: Illuminated BTR-2
Mounting Length (in / mm): 7.4 / 188
Field of View (ft@100 yds. / m@100 m): 105/32@1x 14/4@8.5x
Adj Range in@100yds/ m@100m: 60 / 1.5
Weight (oz. / g): 23 / 652
Exit Pupil (mm): 13.2@1x / 3.2@8.5x
Eye Relief (in / mm): 3.5 / 8.9
Click Value in@100 yds / mm@100m: 0.34 / 10

Bushnell Elite Tactical SMRS  1-8.5x 24mm

All three scopes have good optical clarity when zoomed in and feel durable as would be expected.

They will also introduce this year the Bushnell Elite Tactical LMSS 8-40x60mm Spotting Scope. This compact spotter has a durable coating around the outside, and will come with or without a reticule to match your rifle scope.

Specs for Elite Tactical LMSS 8-40x 60mm (780840)
Magnification: 8-40x
Objective: 60
Prism Glass: BaK-4
Lens Coating: Fully Multi-Coated
Field of View: 50 / 16@40x / 250 / 83@8x
Exit Pupil(mm): 1.5@40x / 5@8x
Close Focus: 30 ft.
Weight(oz. / g): 37.1 / 1053
Length(in / mm): 12.7 / 323
Waterproof / Fogproof : Yes
Other Eye Pieces Available: –
Eye Relief: 30
Color: Sand

Bushnell Elite Tactical LMSS Spotting Scope